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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 19:28
Those pictures I took before are from the US release on Thrill Jockey records. It is very nice packaging with the stiff cardboard style case instead of you normal jewel cases. I know the US Feather Float just comes in the normal cases, I had a breif look through the booklet while I was in the store but my memory is a bit vage, but again I remember it being impressive. Over here only the US copies are avaliable from my store so this is the option I take.

I should really give their lastest one a little more attention, as I have been stuck on Gold and Green for quite a while now.      
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 19:43
I've not heard Gold and Green yet, but I think TAIGA maybe better than Feather Float and Kila Kila Kila.  Of course it's not out in the US until September, so I will probably get the Thrill Jockey release (I can probably get it from Amazon).

I think only the debut US release doesn't have artwork... or so I read somewhere.  The first two weren't on Thrill Jockey of course.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 20:15
That is definately interesting, from what I have read Feather Float is hailed as their best album. But I should know by now rating are dubious things. I'm listening to their lastest at the moment and things are definately going in the right direction.

Also while we have a few people who are interested in the band, what genre to people think these girls are? I have even heard them labeled a J-pop before

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 20:21
Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:


Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

Out of the CD's I have I think:

New Geocentric World Of Acid Mothers Temple

would be a good start. The first track is very intense and some of their album can run for their intirety at this level. So they can tend to be a very hard listen for people who don't like noisy compositions. But most of the other tracks you will find more trip out psychedelic music. Sometimes drifting off into the harder rock areas, with signature distorted japanese guitar work. Other than this album an easier introduction might be there split with the space rock band Kinski, they have very laid back slow moving space rock which should be to your liking. From memory Acid Mothers Temple section is a lot more seduced fitting the mood of the album perfectly.

   
Wow. That sounded very interesting really. Maybe I'll download the split and buy the album after that.P.S.I'm also in favour of adding OOIOO to the archives!


Also if you like the Kinski/Acid Mothers Temple split, but sure to check out some of Kinski normal albums. I think they might be something you could be interested in. I find them more on the Avant-garde side of post/space rock.
    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 20:21
Well the new one hasn't been out for long, so the reviews probably haven't either...

Feather Float is excellent and I've heard it twice so far.  The last track on TAIGA is especially catchy, so watch out for it.  The 15 minute track is also very interesting (I think it's their longest track to date).

Rateyourmusic has the following genres attributed to them:

experimental rock, japanese rock, experimental, post-rock

I don't feel they're post-rock personally, but I've not heard enough post-rock to be a judge of that.

I guess RIO/Avant-Prog is the best, but maybe Art Rock as well... it's a difficult one, as they're quite diverse and I find every album sounds different.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 20:25
Yes post rock seems to be to get labeled on a lot of new bands which are little more experimental in their approach, while not being something totally outragous. I saw the genre labeling on rateyourmusic, which I personally disagree with a lot of the time. I guess this is one of the reason I was asking. Also I wondering whether other people would be tending more towards the psychedelic side of things?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 20:31
Well they do have some spacey synth moments that remind me of Porcupine Tree and Hidria Spacefolk, but they also have very cool angular guitar riffs and tribal drumming.  They're very hard to pigeon-hole.

I always feel post-rock (and do say if I'm incorrect here, I don't know the genre too well) is kind of slower, atmospheric, often maybe depressing music with an experimental touch.

OOIOO are not that at all, they're upbeat, sometimes poppy, sometimes spacey and psychedelic and sometimes ethnic as well.  They don't fit the post-rock mold really.  How does their sound compare to Boredoms?

Boredoms I know are being added, so I was curious to know which genre they were being put in?

We need input from others, so I hope we can get some further feedback.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 20:40
I'm most certain Boredoms are going to be going into the Avant-prog section and for most parts I am in agreeance. Their earlier albums definately tend more towards the avant-garde side of things. They are very noise and incorparate some post punk ideas into their music. Well to make things a little clearer they have been passed by the RIO/avant team and Joren wanted to add them so I am putting two and two together here. So it probably should not be something you should quote with confidence.

There later albums I find more attuned to the space/psychedelic rock with even some influence coming from the Kraut rock scene.

For me for most parts of their career, I would almost called them a toned down Acid Mothers Temple (which are hopefully being though about for addition soon, see the suggestions thread).

In comparison to OOIOO they are a lot more noise orientated in their approach giving them a hard edge sound. And because of this is where is think they get their more Avant-garde sound.     
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 20:49
I was reading a review for one of the OOIOO albums and they mentioned Magma and Zuehl in generally, as well as Krautrock... now I don't own and Zeuhl or Krautrock, so I don't really know what they sound like, so I don't know if this reference is correct.

So you're also thinking Avant-prog for OOIOO as well?  I'd be happy with that, but of course, it's down to what Joren, David (Trouserpress) and Chris (Syzygy) decide on at the end of the day.  I think Joren has quite a big say though.

Has Joren heard any OOIOO yet by the way?  I hope he has the time to hear some soon, as I feel they should be added here.

I know it sounds a bit dodgy, but maybe a separate Japanese Prog section could be added?  I realise this is somewhat ambiguous though, as a band like Happy Family does not sound like Boredoms or OOIOO... but it could solve some problems.  Not all Japanese bands have to go in this genre either.  Maybe more accurately, it should be Experimental Japanese?

I don't know, I think we should stick to the genres we have really, what are your thoughts on this?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 20:56
From what I've heard, OOIOO may fit quite nicely with Art-rock, but I've only heard one album so it isn't very accurate. Gold and Green sounds like a mixture of genres that still sound cohesive and exciting witch reminds me alot to Taal in that sense.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 21:02
Hmm, it seems everyone apart from me has heard Golden and Green!

I shall have to rectify that problem sometime soon I think.  I may order the 2005 US issue of Gold and Green soon, as well as some others.

I see where you're coming from Chamberry, but they don't have the concepts that Taal have.  I feel Taal's albums flow more nicely, if that makes sense.  OOIOO tend to to be more individual track based.  Some do flow into eachother though, but they don't have a concept, like Taal do.

Musically they're not that related either, but I do see where you're coming from.

Art Rock could work... I'm still undecided.  I will have to listen to them a bit more first I think.

It's good to see people taking interest in them though, they're very unique.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 21:17
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

I was reading a review for one of the OOIOO albums and they mentioned Magma and Zuehl in generally, as well as Krautrock... now I don't own and Zeuhl or Krautrock, so I don't really know what they sound like, so I don't know if this reference is correct.So you're also thinking Avant-prog for OOIOO as well?  I'd be happy with that, but of course, it's down to what Joren, David (Trouserpress) and Chris (Syzygy) decide on at the end of the day.  I think Joren has quite a big say though.Has Joren heard any OOIOO yet by the way?  I hope he has the time to hear some soon, as I feel they should be added here.I know it sounds a bit dodgy, but maybe a separate Japanese Prog section could be added?  I realise this is somewhat ambiguous though, as a band like Happy Family does not sound like Boredoms or OOIOO... but it could solve some problems.  Not all Japanese bands have to go in this genre either.  Maybe more accurately, it should be Experimental Japanese?I don't know, I think we should stick to the genres we have really, what are your thoughts on this?


The sparate Japanese genre is something that has been playing on my mind for years (well maybe not that long). In the westernised world the Japanese Psychedelic is a pretty big unknown, much to the factor of language barriers. It has only been resently google has started doing translations of Japanese texts and this proceedure is still very incomplete. Anyway I probably should get to a point sometime soon. I would be very happy to work with some people here to expand the site in this direction. But coming from me this could be a little biased considering my love this style of music. There are serious hundred of Japansese progressive band which could fit into this other genre. Which are unforunately totally forgotten about. Just have a look at some of the bands mentioned in the Zeuhl threat, which has been keeping me interested over the last little while.

There could be some debates here. As from the little time I have spent here it seems a lot of people are not keen on RIO/avant prog, seeing it as not prog or what not. So I don't know how kindly other people would take to this idea. But for me it is something I would be happy about.

I don't like the Zeuhl comparison, but I definately think there are some Krautrock ideals filter throughout some of their more 'complete' albums.

Also shame on you James for not owning any Krautrock... it is close to my favourite genre
    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 21:31
Oh, I do have one Krautrock album, but I've yet to listen to it.

Faust IV.

I'll listen to it sometime soon!

Yes, I have ready the whole Zeuhl 5 thread and most of those bands I've never even heard of!  It'd be a huge task and as you say, it may not be welcomed... but I feel for this site to expand and for it to become the premier progrock site on the Internet, it needs to cover all aspects of prog and if that means obscute Japanese bands, then I am in agreeance with that.

I think OOIOO are more progressive (actually, they're progressive in both definitons) than a lot of bands in the archives (Nightwish!), so other bands who also play similar music deserve to be here too.

It's just the biographies and track listings that are the problem.  There a few Japanese members here though, so they maybe able to help with this.

It's definitely food for thought.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 22:08
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Yes, I have ready the whole Zeuhl 5 thread and most of those bands I've never even heard of!  It'd be a huge task and as you say, it may not be welcomed... but I feel for this site to expand and for it to become the premier progrock site on the Internet, it needs to cover all aspects of prog and if that means obscute Japanese bands, then I am in agreeance with that.


I would have to agree with this. Also a lot of those band mentioned in the Zeuhl 5 are near impossible to get outside Japan and even inside the actual country. I have been doing a lot of research into the whole scene at the moment and there are wealths of bands I have found, it is mostly just finding connection then running with them with this type of music. There is also a person in Australia which is very knowledgable on the topic so I think contacting him might be one of my options in the future. He has written probably the most extensive article in English on the matter at hand.

Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:


I think OOIOO are more progressive (actually, they're progressive in both definitons) than a lot of bands in the archives (Nightwish!), so other bands who also play similar music deserve to be here too.


This is true also, I do find OOIOO to be more progressive than the band you stated (not wanted to start arguement here). But I don't like the whole ideal people have here that because band A is here band B should be here as well. And this is one reason a lot of these 'other' bands have been added.

Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:


It's just the biographies and track listings that are the problem.  There a few Japanese members here though, so they maybe able to help with this.It's definitely food for thought.

    
Yes this is a big problem is things like Biographies. Yes we have some very knowledgable members on here particularly Honganji (who I am always amazed by) and Yukorin. I'm sure there are other but these are the two I know.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 22:58
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

Thanks for the link - I've downloaded a couple of concerts and the sound quality is excellent. They're a brilliant live band, and what I've heard of their studio work has been pretty good as well. They're touring in the UK again this autumn (around the time of the Gong family unconvention in Amsterdam, where AM Gong are on the bill) and I'm really looking forward to seeing them again. Having said that, like Ozric Tentacles a lot of their albums tend to sound very similar, so you probably don't need that much of their massive discography in your collection.


No worries, there is tons of great stuff on that site (moives included here). The best things it is all offical. When I first download it I was amazing by the quality, hence the massive files. After watching this footage they are one of the bands I will definately be seeing before I die. So looks like I am going to have to be coming over to the UK during Autumn then, as there is no chance in hell they are going to be coming over to Australia even though we are quite close. I think what you said is true, a lot of the albums do sound simialr, but I think I will still work through their discography to help support the band. I think this why is find that split I was talking about good, since it mixes the style up a little more.   
    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 23:15
I may have to join you Adam, if you're coming over to the UK!  I know where you'll be visiting isn't too far from me, so we'll have to meet up and discuss going to see them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2006 at 05:43
Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

That is definately interesting, from what I have read Feather Float is hailed as their best album. But I should know by now rating are dubious things. I'm listening to their lastest at the moment and things are definately going in the right direction.

Also while we have a few people who are interested in the band, what genre to people think these girls are? I have even heard them labeled a J-pop before
Japan has a huge and thriving musical underground scene, but as has been pointed out elsewhere much of it is almost impossible to find in Japan, let alone elsewhere. It's probably best for everybody's sanity if we stick to those bands released/distributed outside Japan for now.
 
I'm not so sure about a Japanese prog category - it's already possible to find a list of all Japanese bands on the site if you filter by location.
 
OOIOO (pronounced 'oh oh aye oh oh' apparently) are definitely worth including here. What they remind me of most strongly is La Dusseldorf, Klaus Dinger's post-Neu! band. They're not really soundalikes, but there's a similar feel - motorik rhythms with simple synth/guitar melodies woven through. That doesn't make them Krautrock, though - I'd be most inclined to go with Art Rock. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 12 2006 at 01:06
Just thought I would share this is everyone, this is the lastest addition to my collection.
 
 
 
Panzerpappa - Farlig vandring
 
 
TRACK LIST:

1.  Farlig Vandring 8:33
2.  Ellipsoidik Karusell 10:41
3.  Utrygge Trofler 7:06
4.  Agraphia 6:56
5.  Sykkelgnomflatten 6:55
6.  Ompapaomompapa 9:43

All tracks: by Panzerpappa.

LINE-UP:

Steinar Borve - keyboards; saxophones
Jarle Storlokken - electric & acoustic guitars
Trond Gjellum - drums & percussion
Andres Krabberod - electric bass & Stick

Prolusion. "Farlig Vandring" is the third album by the Norwegian band Panzerpappa, which existed since 1996. This is my first acquaintance with their creation.

Synopsis. Along with Samla Mammas Manna and U Totem, Panzerpappa is, that said, one of the most optimistic RIO-related bands I've ever heard. The pronounced melodiousness and liveliness of their music, which is quite atypical for this genre (not to mention Norway's Rock music), can be explained by the band's specific approach to working with RIO-related forms, but not exclusively. While RIO is the principal constituent of Panzerpappa's stylistics, the band does not scorn some other directions of Progressive Rock, as well as a light chamber music, while avoids any heavy and harsh sounds. They use bass, drums, saxophone, piano, organ, electric guitar, vibraphone and, in a less degree, acoustic guitar, Mellotron, and some woodwinds. A violin is present only on the second track, but it plays a prominent role almost throughout. Representing a classic RIO with elements of Jazz-Fusion, Symphonic Art-Rock, chamber and folk music, the first two compositions: Farlig Vandring and Ellipsoidik Karusell consist of dense, richly sounding arrangements, and yet, they're a bit more accessible than the other compositions. Here, a bass guitarist sets most of the initial themes, around which the other band members weave, proper, a musical palette, but since the parts of bass aren't that notable for diversity, both pieces contain quite a few recurrences. The last two tracks on the CD: Sykkelgnomflatten and Ompapaomompapa (5 & 6) are done in a similar direction, but these, and especially the latter, are much more diverse and intriguing, consisting mostly of ever-changing arrangements with various instruments being at the 'head' of them. Both of the tracks located in the middle of the album: Utrygge Trofler and Agraphia (3 & 4) are also outstanding compositions. Stylistically, they're about a blend of Jazz-Fusion and RIO with the slight prevalence of the first genre and a vibraphonist often performing the central soloing parts.

Conclusion. Although Panzerpappa is not the strongest among the RIO bands and performers I know, their music has a lot of its own merits, and "Farlig Vandring" is definitely a masterpiece, despite a few minor flaws. Besides, this effort may become a necessary and, maybe, even a final stage for those who, perhaps, would never comprehend and love RIO without hearing it.

 
So anybody like/farmilar with this band, I would love to hear what other think of them.
 
 
Also as a side note, James I would be more than happy to meet up, even if it is not to go to the concert.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 12 2006 at 14:37
Thanks for notes on your recent purchase... does it live it up to the synopsis?

Oh of course, I don't exoext you to go to a gig with me, that's understandable, but meeting up is definitely an idea.  Do keep in touch in relation to your visiting England (and specifically the area near me).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 12 2006 at 17:02
The overall synopsis discribes the music well and I think give the read a idea of the bands sound. I don't think I will be giving it the masterpiece acclaimation this reviewer has, but definately think it is a solid piece. Probably around 3 to 3 and half on first listen. Which is quite good. I would definately give them a go. From memory there are a few other reviews on this site, but it escapes my memory whether they were of quality.

Yes, I will definately keep you posted in regards to my travels.
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