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    Posted: August 10 2006 at 15:09
Wow... I submitted a not so flattering review for Dark Side of the Moon. Nothing offensive, I was just saying it was over-rated and nothing compared to what Yes and Genesis were doing at the time. I made the point that it doesn't matter if this is the best selling record of all time, it's just not interesting.
 
Well, I wrote another review of a different band today. After submitting, it showed a summary of my reviews. I clicked on the DSOTM one, and nothing was there!
 
So I went to the album page, looked it over, and my review was deleted.
 
Wow, so there is censorship going on? Cool, man. Very progressive of you guys.
 
OK, You win! Dark Side of the Moon is the best progressive rock album of all time. It is brilliant. My favorite part is when the woman sings those great R&B vocals. It's like American Idol and so cool. If a record has cool R&B vocals, it must be great. Simon would agree!
 
And BLUES! It's got blues guitar all over the place. How cool is that? Very original. You don't hear the blues represented much AT ALL in rock.
 
YES. That album is so original and one of a kind. Definately the best of progressive rock.
 
OK, I decided I have had enough of submitting reviews here. This is a loaded forum, and it is clear that people love their Stink Floyd a little too much.
 
The only thing of value on this site is the free music, so I can decide for myself if lemming reviewers are accurate, or just going along with the marketplace. The reviews are not really worth anything. They are just lame opinions, mostly from a bunch of nerds who know as much about music as they do about life...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 15:11
you should prehaps take it a little easy, what's the exact thing you wrote...the only way a review can be deleted is if it was unappropriate...not because of a rating or of a low one regarding a very acknowledge and appreciated, overall, album...

so let's discuss Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 15:13
If your review contained as much information as what you're saying here about the album, I can understand why the admins deleted it ... it doesn't meet the requirements.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 15:15
the review dates 23rd of June; I'm gonna try and looks into the "Inapproprite reviews" thread to see if it was mentioned and optioned for content deletion...


uhm...nothing.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 15:15
LOL Yes, we all love DSotM so much that we delete every review of the album that isn't completely flattering. Or maybe you review was deleted because it violated the rules of the site, which are all logical and well thought-out. Now which scenario is more likely....?
 
Now let's see how many instances of flaming are in that one post....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 15:16
OK, well if that's your attitude we don't need you here.

I didn't read the review, but if it just read like an angry review of the band Pink Floyd, and not an honest review of the album itself, then chances are it was just deleted.  You have your right to your opinion but the site policy is that reviews must be objective and preferably well thought out... not just the rantings of someone who hates the band.

And coming to the forum to insult the reviewers isn't gonna go well for you either, friend.  Unhappy
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 15:17
Your reviews could have been deleted for being inappropriate or not meeting the review guidelines.

Here are the review guidelines,written by Easy Livin,one of our admins and reviews managers.They are posted as an announcement topic at the top of each forum section.

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=13152&FID=3&PR=3
    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 15:19
Here's the page where your review was reported and dealt with: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3317&PN=118
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 15:21
Originally posted by Guigo, reviews moderator Guigo, reviews moderator wrote:

Even not liking, the reviewer cannot be cynical or a bit disrespectful toward the artist and other reviewers.
 
Also, I agree with Fitz, think how revolutionary were at their time artists like Louis Armstrong, Tom Jobim, Peter Gabriel, etc.
 
I believe that with some edits the DSOTM review may stay - for awhile only the rating is preserved. I'll try to contact the reviewer.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 15:28
Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

OK, well if that's your attitude we don't need you here.

I didn't read the review, but if it just read like an angry review of the band Pink Floyd, and not an honest review of the album itself, then chances are it was just deleted.  You have your right to your opinion but the site policy is that reviews must be objective and preferably well thought out... not just the rantings of someone who hates the band.

And coming to the forum to insult the reviewers isn't gonna go well for you either, friend.  Unhappy
 
reviews must be objective
 
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If I, or who so eve,r write a review it will be subjective. They are all subjective. Because they are someones opinions. Only an extremely skillfull professional can write an objective review. That is such that one cannot argue. I don't wan't to read objective reviews. I want to read different people's opinions (=subjective).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 15:32
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by Guigo, reviews moderator Guigo, reviews moderator wrote:

Even not liking, the reviewer cannot be cynical or a bit disrespectful toward the artist and other reviewers.
 
Also, I agree with Fitz, think how revolutionary were at their time artists like Louis Armstrong, Tom Jobim, Peter Gabriel, etc.
 
I believe that with some edits the DSOTM review may stay - for awhile only the rating is preserved. I'll try to contact the reviewer.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 15:36
Originally posted by cscrutinizer cscrutinizer wrote:

Wow... I submitted a not so flattering review for Dark Side of the Moon. Nothing offensive, I was just saying it was over-rated and nothing compared to what Yes and Genesis were doing at the time. I made the point that it doesn't matter if this is the best selling record of all time, it's just not interesting.
 

Well, I wrote another review of a different band today. After submitting, it showed a summary of my reviews. I clicked on the DSOTM one, and nothing was there!

 

So I went to the album page, looked it over, and my review was deleted.

 

Wow, so there is censorship going on? Cool, man. Very progressive of you guys.

 

OK, You win! Dark Side of the Moon is the best progressive rock album of all time. It is brilliant. My favorite part is when the woman sings those great R&B vocals. It's like American Idol and so cool. If a record has cool R&B vocals, it must be great. Simon would agree!

 

And BLUES! It's got blues guitar all over the place. How cool is that? Very original. You don't hear the blues represented much AT ALL in rock.

 

YES. That album is so original and one of a kind. Definately the best of progressive rock.

 

OK, I decided I have had enough of submitting reviews here. This is a loaded forum, and it is clear that people love their Stink Floyd a little too much.

 

The only thing of value on this site is the free music, so I can decide for myself if lemming reviewers are accurate, or just going along with the marketplace. The reviews are not really worth anything. They are just lame opinions, mostly from a bunch of nerds who know as much about music as they do about life...


You failed to review the album at all.Re-read it and stop getting angry with the site's administration.Is it really something that you are proud of?

Look we have thousands of reviews and we now need some quality control.

Do you seriously believe that anyone will get anything out of your review other than the distinct feeling that you've some sort of ulterior motive for posting the review? I repeat you did not review the album,you merely made unhelpful,highly subjective,unqualified comparisons with some bands you seem to like more.

Your review was not accepted in this instance-accept that,improve and move on.



     
    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 15:41
Originally posted by pirkka pirkka wrote:

 
reviews must be objective
 
????
 
If I, or who so eve,r write a review it will be subjective. They are all subjective. Because they are someones opinions. Only an extremely skillfull professional can write an objective review. That is such that one cannot argue. I don't wan't to read objective reviews. I want to read different people's opinions (=subjective).


you're right, objetive wasn't the word i was looking for... but a review should try to look at different sides of the music.  For instance in my reviews I usually have a sentence or two in which I say "you probably won't like this album if you don't like....", etc.  You shouldn't just say "this album was popular and therefore it is bad".  Despite the fact that anyone can contribute, we still do have a pretty high standard for the reviews and i think that's a good thing.  You shouln't have people going around in reviews saying "this album sucks because this band sucks" or whatever.  I don't like neo-prog, so I just don't review neo-prog bands... I don't go giving them all 1 or 2-star reviews.

but again, you're right... a review is essentially an opinion and therefore subjective.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 15:43

I don't have a record of that specific review, so maybe it was Atkingani who deleted it. From what you say though, cscrutinizer  it sounds like your "review" was not really a review of the album at all, but a commentary on its place in history.

Such a commentary is fine if it forms a part of the review, but not if that is the entire extent of the review. The prime objective of a review should be to discuss the content of the album.
 
A couple of reassurances I would give.
- If a review is deleted, A e-mail is always sent to the address given when it was submitted. (If that address turns out to be invalid of course, there is nothing more we can do)
- Reviews are never deleted because of their stance on the album. It is OK not to like an album, even DSOTM!
- Very few reviews are removed
 
Pirkka - I understand your point, but the word subjective is not intended in that literal context. Opinions are of course what we thrive on!
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 15:44
about the subjective/objective thing (off subject), I always consider the mixture of both to be the "perfect recipe". Approve
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 15:44
Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

Originally posted by pirkka pirkka wrote:

 
reviews must be objective
 
????
 
If I, or who so eve,r write a review it will be subjective. They are all subjective. Because they are someones opinions. Only an extremely skillfull professional can write an objective review. That is such that one cannot argue. I don't wan't to read objective reviews. I want to read different people's opinions (=subjective).


you're right, objetive wasn't the word i was looking for... but a review should try to look at different sides of the music.  For instance in my reviews I usually have a sentence or two in which I say "you probably won't like this album if you don't like....", etc.  You shouldn't just say "this album was popular and therefore it is bad".  Despite the fact that anyone can contribute, we still do have a pretty high standard for the reviews and i think that's a good thing.  You shouln't have people going around in reviews saying "this album sucks because this band sucks" or whatever.  I don't like neo-prog, so I just don't review neo-prog bands... I don't go giving them all 1 or 2-star reviews.

but again, you're right... a review is essentially an opinion and therefore subjective.
 
I wish you would. If people don't do that, then all albums would be 4-5 stars. People need to give their honest impression of an album, whether they like it or not, because it will create a more diverse landscape where we can tell what albums are really appealing and what albums are utter crap.
 
I assume you don't much Neo, though so it would make too big of an impact anyway. People don't continuously buy albums by bands they find to not appeal to them. But if you can review a Neo album in all honesty, not just say "...Umm...it's not very challenging. It's got keyboards...." I'd still be glad if you did review it.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 15:47
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

about the subjective/objective thing (off subject), I always consider the mixture of both to be the "perfect recipe". Approve
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 15:49
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

about the subjective/objective thing (off subject), I always consider the mixture of both to be the "perfect recipe". Approve
 
The Recipe for Masterliness. ApproveWink

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 15:50
Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

about the subjective/objective thing (off subject), I always consider the mixture of both to be the "perfect recipe". Approve
 
The Recipe for Masterliness. ApproveWink

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Angry........................................nah! ApproveCoolCry
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 15:53
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

 
I wish you would. If people don't do that, then all albums would be 4-5 stars. People need to give their honest impression of an album, whether they like it or not, because it will create a more diverse landscape where we can tell what albums are really appealing and what albums are utter crap.
 
I assume you don't much Neo, though so it would make too big of an impact anyway. People don't continuously buy albums by bands they find to not appeal to them. But if you can review a Neo album in all honesty, not just say "...Umm...it's not very challenging. It's got keyboards...." I'd still be glad if you did review it.


you definitely do have a point there.  Embarrassed

but it would only work as long as I detail EXACTLY why I don't like the certain album instead of saying "I don't like neo-prog so this album sucks", or "how could anyone give this album 5 stars???"Wink



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