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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2006 at 08:21
Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

A few years ago I read an article in a keyboard magazine, it told about Tony Banks his technique. The author was very positive about Tony Banks, he said Tony is not so omnipresent and self-indulgent like Keith Emerson or Rick Wakeman but the way he plays both Hammond and Mellotron was on a very high level in the Gabriel-Genesis-era, that is a huge compliment Thumbs Up


Yeah, and he's not on the Tron all the time like Mike Pinder - this means it has much more impact when it does come in - eg its appearances during Dancing Out With The Moonlit Knight are real goosebump moments
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2006 at 10:05
That's a dilemma, Joolz: as a Tronmaniac I want to hear floods of Trons but too much Tron drenched (like Druid on their second album) does harm the quality of the composition. In my opinion The Strawbs and Barclay James Harvest were masters in fllooding with Trons but without harming the quality of the compositions Clap !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2006 at 11:23
Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

That's a dilemma, Joolz: as a Tronmaniac I want to hear floods of Trons but too much Tron drenched (like Druid on their second album) does harm the quality of the composition. In my opinion The Strawbs and Barclay James Harvest were masters in fllooding with Trons but without harming the quality of the compositions Clap !


Absolutely agree, no argument there. One of my all-time favourite records is BJH Live (1974), due in large part to being smothered in Tron [even though some of it had to be overdubbed because the Tron had a sterminated]. My point was with Banks, there is that extra dimension of anticipation which you don't have if it's there all the time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2006 at 12:02
I love short drops of choir-Mellotron, so impressive and it lifts the music to an extra dimension like Greenslade on Tide or The Strawbs on Down By The Sea Approve !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2006 at 13:10
If their music is tron-drenched, that's another good reason for me to go discover BJH as soon as possible... What album should I start with?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2006 at 13:33
I love their live albums more than any of their studio-albums, in my opinion these sound more powerful and more Tron drenched. I prefer BJH Live (1974) but Live Tapes (1978) is almost at the same level.
Personal advise: send fellow collaborator Andrea Cortese a PM with your question, I am sure he will please you with his reaction Wink !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2006 at 15:40
I WISH for the day that I will have an opportunity to play a real mellotron. Sounds like a super exciting experience! Congrats!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2006 at 15:42
Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

I love their live albums more than any of their studio-albums, in my opinion these sound more powerful and more Tron drenched. I prefer BJH Live (1974) but Live Tapes (1978) is almost at the same level.
Personal advise: send fellow collaborator Andrea Cortese a PM with your question, I am sure he will please you with his reaction Wink !


Thanks for the suggestions! I will try to find them. Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2006 at 03:58
In the late Nineties I made an article about vintage keyboards in progressive rock for a Dutch progrock magazine and interviewed known and less know Dutch keyboard players, here are some quotes about the ubiquitous Mellotron:
 
Eril De Vroomen (Coda): "When I only look at the Mellotron, my heart starts to beat stronger!"
 
Cleem Determeijer (Finch, Veralin, Ayreon): "The Mellotron on the first two Finch albums was borrowed, an old, brown piece of furniture delivering trics like applause. It made a lot of 'side-sounds', the tapes sounded sometimes un-pitched or even stopped but the sound remains so nostalgic."
 
Rene De Haan (Pythagoras): "I borrowed the Mellotron from the Dutch symphonic rock group Plackband. In fact it was a ridiculous instrument: it required a lot of maintenance and it was expensive. I often used the violin - and choir-section and at some moments the church organ sound."
 
Ton Scherpenzeel (Kayak, Camel): "The Mellotron is both my highest as lowest point, it's an instrument with obstacles! On stage singer Max Werner used it and in the studio we both played on it. It has a wonderful sound, a bit dusty and melancholic, very massive. But technically it was a disaster, it unpitched very easily and quickly. If you used one key, it was OK but pressing two or more keys you often didn't get any sound and you had to watch out at windy stages! And on parties with an aggregate it was a misery with the Mellotron .. but on the other hand it is a memorable and emotional instrument, also because of its imperfects. It also had an impact on writing, I used it as an orchestra, a band like Earth & Fire build entire songs around the Mellotron.
 
Thijs Van Leer (Focus): I only used the Mellotron on studio recordings like Eruption. I love the violin section with the string sound, very special. In fact it was the forerunner of the synthesizer. But of course it had many failures, it was almost every time broken. But these imperfections had its charm, the Mellotron has something obsolete, something archaic and timeless."
 
Rick Van Der Linden (Ekseption, Trace): "The Mellotron is a very beautiful instrument but very vulnerable. I carried a lot of reserve parts with me including frames. I had to keep these in huge suitcases! Playing on a Mellotron, your classically trained piano skills are useless, you have to learn playing on it again by excersing a lot and learning the trics like very quickly lifting the key in order to use it again. I succeeded to play on it for 9 seconds instead of 8 by some technical changes in the instrument! The sound is often bad with a lot of noise and you frequently have to use the pitch button. I let build the technician a 'fine control' for the pitching and a stabilisator for the synchrone-moter in order to let it sound more stable. I loved to use the violin section, the choirs and the flute traverse, these sounds are mighty close to the real sound."
 
Arjen Lucassen (Ayreon): "The Mellotron has a wonderful sound but in use it's a disaster, for example because of the breaking of the tapes. It's an easy instrument to sample so I have made a lot of samples."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2006 at 08:39
Erik,you're lucky!!!I'm jealous!!!
Can someone give me a link to mellotron samples' sites?I remember I asked it before,but those files were way too big to download...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2006 at 11:09
www.mellotron.com (products) has an amazing amount of Mellotron sounds!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2006 at 16:43
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2006 at 20:59
sorry because of my ignorance, but what is exactly a Mellotron??
it is the one that use Steve Howe in a few songs? like a keyboard? or something like that?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2006 at 04:29
Erik,thanks a lot!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2006 at 04:44
Originally posted by patomtz patomtz wrote:

sorry because of my ignorance, but what is exactly a Mellotron??
it is the one that use Steve Howe in a few songs? like a keyboard? or something like that?
I'm not techie, but as I understand it, it's a keyboard that has tape loops of e.g. choir, strings, brass in it, so you press the key, and hey presto you get that note. Put "mellotron" in your search engine - or go to Eriks link above - and you'll see/hear one. So no, Steve Howe doesn't play it, but Rick Wakeman does. Fantastic, distinctive sound, but was notoriously unrelaible on stage.
There's been a lot on this site about the mellotron, including some very technical discussions I seem to recall, so worth searching here if you want to find out more.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2006 at 05:01

Steve Hackett used a Mellotron but also an Optigan: "An organ with optical disc recordings of backing tracks. The light source is just a miniature (domestic)  incandescent tube, picked up by optical sensors on the other side of the disc. One problem is that these disc are  very susceptible to scratches, which appear as surface noise"  (from the book The A-Z of Analogue Synthesizers - Peter Forrest - also see Wikipedia).

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2006 at 15:57
Some droolsome Mellotron pics now in place in Erik's original post at the beginning of this thread.
However for the fanatics among you I will reproduce them here












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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2006 at 16:37
Great pics here!
 ...hmmm, this little machine is what made our music so great!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2006 at 16:56
Only because of the wonderful, very melancholic violin-Mellotron drops in Rush their ballad Tears, Tony R was willing to publish my Mellotron pictures Wink ...
 
By the way, Andrea, incredible that this odd white piece of furniture is responsible for so many emotional moments in the progrock history, The Strawbs were part of it, I love Down By The Sea, great choir-Mellotron waves Clap !


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2006 at 18:45
Nice pics ...... so much more character than modern electronic instruments. Just look at that patina .....

Despite adoring Mellotrons for nearly 40 years, I have never got my hands on a real one. I always wanted one but the cost was prohibitive, as well as maintenance etc. I do recall my delight when I finally got hold of some decent Mellotron samples in the early-ish 90s - the first Emu Vintage Keys rack module - obviously not as good as the real thing but I could at last pretend with my trusty Roland keyboard ......
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