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pirkka ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 06 2005 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 191 |
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Hi Erik,
Just litening to Lift: The Moment of Hearing. Great Mellotron prog fro USA. But this you know
![]() I asked earlier about The Enid if they use Mellotron in the Fand live version 79 included in the Something wicked this way comes album. Now I have the Aerie Faerie album and the Fand is there over 30 min long new version (84-87). Again no mention of the keyboard types used. Do you or somebody know?
They probably used Tron in In the Region of the Summer Stars in 76.
Pirkka
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erik neuteboom ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
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Jim Garten: I will ask about the Hammond model (I thought a M100)
Pierreolivier: I will ask about the serial number of the mellotron and about the owner
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Jim Garten ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin & Razor Guru Joined: February 02 2004 Location: South England Status: Offline Points: 14693 |
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Ooooohhh, Erik - my jealousy knows no bounds... Lovely 'tron!
![]() As a Hammond owner, though I must just ask - which model of Hammond is that on the right? It's not a full console, is it - L or M series? |
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RUM26 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 10 2005 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 241 |
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go to idiana jones thread NOW! |
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Andrea Cortese ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 05 2005 Status: Offline Points: 4411 |
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Have to check out what kinds of keyboards my father owns. Ok, he doesn't own a mellotron but he put his fingers usually above two keyboards and an electronic piano/organ/harpsichord.
BTW, the sound of the mellotron was an incredible improvement in rock music's history. Maybe it was as the discovery of wheel for us prog lovers.
Erik, Down by the Sea is an incredible piece. Generally the album Bursting at the Seams is an excellent one, even if many people underestimate it. I know you were referring not to the album version but to the live version in Grave New World/Live in Tokyo 1975. Isn't it?
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Joolz ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 24 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1377 |
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Nice pics ...... so much more character than modern electronic instruments. Just look at that patina .....
Despite adoring Mellotrons for nearly 40 years, I have never got my hands on a real one. I always wanted one but the cost was prohibitive, as well as maintenance etc. I do recall my delight when I finally got hold of some decent Mellotron samples in the early-ish 90s - the first Emu Vintage Keys rack module - obviously not as good as the real thing but I could at last pretend with my trusty Roland keyboard ...... |
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erik neuteboom ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
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Only because of the wonderful, very melancholic violin-Mellotron drops in Rush their ballad Tears, Tony R was willing to publish my Mellotron pictures
![]() By the way, Andrea, incredible that this odd white piece of furniture is responsible for so many emotional moments in the progrock history, The Strawbs were part of it, I love Down By The Sea, great choir-Mellotron waves ![]() Edited by erik neuteboom - August 02 2006 at 16:57 |
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Andrea Cortese ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 05 2005 Status: Offline Points: 4411 |
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Great pics here!
...hmmm, this little machine is what made our music so great!
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Tony R ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: July 16 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 11979 |
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Some droolsome Mellotron pics now in place in Erik's original post at the beginning of this thread.
However for the fanatics among you I will reproduce them here ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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erik neuteboom ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
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Steve Hackett used a Mellotron but also an Optigan: "An organ with optical disc recordings of backing tracks. The light source is just a miniature (domestic) incandescent tube, picked up by optical sensors on the other side of the disc. One problem is that these disc are very susceptible to scratches, which appear as surface noise" (from the book The A-Z of Analogue Synthesizers - Peter Forrest - also see Wikipedia).
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Phil ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 17 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1881 |
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There's been a lot on this site about the mellotron, including some very technical discussions I seem to recall, so worth searching here if you want to find out more. Edited by Phil - August 01 2006 at 04:46 |
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Prog-jester ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 05 2005 Location: Love Beach Status: Offline Points: 5908 |
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Erik,thanks a lot!
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patomtz ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 31 2005 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 221 |
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sorry because of my ignorance, but what is exactly a Mellotron??
it is the one that use Steve Howe in a few songs? like a keyboard? or something like that?
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I still can't get how Dream Theater music is created by humans
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erik neuteboom ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
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And from Frank Samagaio his book about the Mellotron:
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erik neuteboom ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
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www.mellotron.com (products) has an amazing amount of Mellotron sounds!
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Erik,you're lucky!!!I'm jealous!!!
![]() Can someone give me a link to mellotron samples' sites?I remember I asked it before,but those files were way too big to download... |
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erik neuteboom ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
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In the late Nineties I made an article about vintage keyboards in progressive rock for a Dutch progrock magazine and interviewed known and less know Dutch keyboard players, here are some quotes about the ubiquitous Mellotron:
Eril De Vroomen (Coda): "When I only look at the Mellotron, my heart starts to beat stronger!"
Cleem Determeijer (Finch, Veralin, Ayreon): "The Mellotron on the first two Finch albums was borrowed, an old, brown piece of furniture delivering trics like applause. It made a lot of 'side-sounds', the tapes sounded sometimes un-pitched or even stopped but the sound remains so nostalgic."
Rene De Haan (Pythagoras): "I borrowed the Mellotron from the Dutch symphonic rock group Plackband. In fact it was a ridiculous instrument: it required a lot of maintenance and it was expensive. I often used the violin - and choir-section and at some moments the church organ sound."
Ton Scherpenzeel (Kayak, Camel): "The Mellotron is both my highest as lowest point, it's an instrument with obstacles! On stage singer Max Werner used it and in the studio we both played on it. It has a wonderful sound, a bit dusty and melancholic, very massive. But technically it was a disaster, it unpitched very easily and quickly. If you used one key, it was OK but pressing two or more keys you often didn't get any sound and you had to watch out at windy stages! And on parties with an aggregate it was a misery with the Mellotron .. but on the other hand it is a memorable and emotional instrument, also because of its imperfects. It also had an impact on writing, I used it as an orchestra, a band like Earth & Fire build entire songs around the Mellotron.
Thijs Van Leer (Focus): I only used the Mellotron on studio recordings like Eruption. I love the violin section with the string sound, very special. In fact it was the forerunner of the synthesizer. But of course it had many failures, it was almost every time broken. But these imperfections had its charm, the Mellotron has something obsolete, something archaic and timeless."
Rick Van Der Linden (Ekseption, Trace): "The Mellotron is a very beautiful instrument but very vulnerable. I carried a lot of reserve parts with me including frames. I had to keep these in huge suitcases! Playing on a Mellotron, your classically trained piano skills are useless, you have to learn playing on it again by excersing a lot and learning the trics like very quickly lifting the key in order to use it again. I succeeded to play on it for 9 seconds instead of 8 by some technical changes in the instrument! The sound is often bad with a lot of noise and you frequently have to use the pitch button. I let build the technician a 'fine control' for the pitching and a stabilisator for the synchrone-moter in order to let it sound more stable. I loved to use the violin section, the choirs and the flute traverse, these sounds are mighty close to the real sound."
Arjen Lucassen (Ayreon): "The Mellotron has a wonderful sound but in use it's a disaster, for example because of the breaking of the tapes. It's an easy instrument to sample so I have made a lot of samples."
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Philéas ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: June 14 2006 Status: Offline Points: 6419 |
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Thanks for the suggestions! I will try to find them. ![]() |
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I WISH for the day that I will have an opportunity to play a real mellotron. Sounds like a super exciting experience! Congrats!
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erik neuteboom ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
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I love their live albums more than any of their studio-albums, in my opinion these sound more powerful and more Tron drenched. I prefer BJH Live (1974) but Live Tapes (1978) is almost at the same level.
Personal advise: send fellow collaborator Andrea Cortese a PM with your question, I am sure he will please you with his reaction
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