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erik neuteboom 
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 Posted: July 29 2006 at 18:13 |
Micky, you should try to launch Michael Moore as president ...  !
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micky
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Posted: July 29 2006 at 18:14 |
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Philéas
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Posted: July 29 2006 at 18:16 |
Looks like I won the debate... 
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micky
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Posted: July 29 2006 at 18:17 |
 Philéas wrote:
Looks like I won...
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I'd wait for the intimidating guy in shades wielding more firerams than humanly possible before declaring victory....
HE"LL be back.....
Edited by micky - July 29 2006 at 18:18
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: July 29 2006 at 18:27 |
The return of the giant Phileas ...  ?!
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Philéas
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Posted: July 29 2006 at 19:11 |
erik neuteboom wrote:
The return of the giant Phileas ... ?! |
 
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: July 29 2006 at 22:06 |
alan_pfeifer wrote:
I've always considered them top-tier material. I don't see how Rush aren't as influential as other bands. |
I totally agree. They had an influence on Fates Warning to become more prog, who, along with Queensryche (whom I don't consider nearly as progressive but still vital) founded an entire (albeit hotly debated) subgenre: prog metal
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micky
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Posted: July 29 2006 at 22:11 |
heyitsthatguy wrote:
alan_pfeifer wrote:
I've always considered them top-tier
material. I don't see how Rush aren't as influential as other
bands. |
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totally agree. They had an influence on Fates Warning to become more
prog, who, along with Queensryche (whom I don't consider nearly as
progressive but still vital) founded an entire (albeit hotly debated)
subgenre: prog metal
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easy why they aren't as influential as other bands.... those bands
created prog rock, Rush didn't, and influenced Rush in the process,
some like Yes are still influencing bands today.... simple enough even
to an old fart like me...
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WaywardSon
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Posted: July 29 2006 at 22:16 |
Hmmm The old Queensryche debate again
Let´s just say 2112 was the first Prog Metal album (This will please Tony R)  Isn´t Promised Land more proggier than Vapor Trails?(This will not please Tony)
Edited by WaywardSon - July 29 2006 at 22:16
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Philéas
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Posted: July 30 2006 at 06:46 |
WaywardSon wrote:
Hmmm The old Queensryche debate again
Let´s just say 2112 was the first Prog Metal album (This will please Tony R) Isn´t Promised Land more proggier than Vapor Trails?(This will not please Tony) |
I agree with you, but the Rush topic is now turning into a Queensrÿche topic.
Edited by Philéas - July 30 2006 at 06:47
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: July 30 2006 at 07:18 |
Order, order  .. !
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Tony R
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Posted: July 30 2006 at 10:17 |
Hey,dont even pretend to compare Queensryche to Rush,not even just to yank my chain!
Mickey,when you talk about influence,as in the case of Yes or Genesis,are you talking about Prog as a whole genre or just Symphonic? I believe that when you talk about Prog you mean Symphonic only.The so-called Neo Prog bands,those nearest to Symphonic,are as much influenced by Rush as they are by the likes of Yes,Genesis,GG,VDGG and Jethro Tull.The fact that Rush are still releasing meaningful output suggests that they will continue to have influence whilst the Genesis/Yes influnce will naturally become more diluted.
If you look at Prog Rock in its broadest sense and consider Krautrock,Zeuhl,Jazz Rock,Psyche and Space and even Prog Metal then I believe the perceived influence of Yes and Genesis to Prog in this context is virtually non-existent.That would include Rush too,except for Prog-Metal where I think that Rush's influence is seminal.
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Posted: July 30 2006 at 10:24 |
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micky
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Posted: July 30 2006 at 10:47 |
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Posted: July 30 2006 at 10:52 |
Joining the PM team... that would certainly amount to high treason! Poor Ivan, the moment his back is turned, all hell breaks loose....  Seriously, though, I think this topic may have run its course. I'm afraid no one is going to change their mind at this point...
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micky
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Posted: July 30 2006 at 10:53 |
Tony R wrote:
Hey,dont even pretend to compare Queensryche to Rush,not even just to yank my chain!
Mickey,when you talk about influence,as in the case of Yes or
Genesis,are you talking about Prog as a whole genre or just Symphonic?
I believe that when you talk about Prog you mean Symphonic only.The
so-called Neo Prog bands,those nearest to Symphonic,are as much
influenced by Rush as they are by the likes of Yes,Genesis,GG,VDGG and
Jethro Tull.The fact that Rush are still releasing meaningful output
suggests that they will continue to have influence whilst the
Genesis/Yes influnce will naturally become more diluted.
If you look at Prog Rock in its broadest sense and consider
Krautrock,Zeuhl,Jazz Rock,Psyche and Space and even Prog Metal then I
believe the perceived influence of Yes and Genesis to Prog in this
context is virtually non-existent.That would include Rush too,except
for Prog-Metal where I think that Rush's influence is seminal.
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that's pretty fair Tony and your point is taken.....
however I was speaking of the whole of prog. If you could
you you give me some examples of Rush's influence on Neo.. .I've never
been a fan or that knowledgeable of neo beyond owning a few Marillioin
album.. .so if so.. I will stand corrected..
However...
the fact is that Rush was in the 2nd wave was influenced by the first
wave and find it hard to say that their influence was so that they rank
with the groups that not only influenced them by the whole creation of
the genre.. not just symphonic... ELP was an influence on
Krautrock... for example.. the 1st gen prog groups had a vast influence
on prog and the major subgenres.. Let me know what you think...
Neo-prog in particular.
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micky
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Posted: July 30 2006 at 10:56 |
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Tony R
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Posted: July 30 2006 at 11:07 |
micky wrote:
.I'm about to learn that
there are some posters you don't screw with ... and get my lunch handed
to me hahahah
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Well,there's no such thing as a free lunch.....
As for neo-prog, I cant imagine that they could have developed their love of the emotive guitar solo from listening to either Genesis or Yes.
I cant accept that a band like IQ define a the genre as that would suggest that Neo-Prog is little more than a tribute genre...
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: July 30 2006 at 12:12 |
Aaron wrote:
Tony R wrote:
Therefore I cannot possibly describe Aaron as a moron as that would be disrespectful.......
.....to morons.
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alright, seriously, someone ban this jerk
i am not really sure what i said that was so moronic, does everything on this forum have to contribute so that we have a well developed thread where a definite conclusion is created and posters opinions are swayed by the comments made by others, oh wait, it never works out that way
therefore, my comments of no value, true, have about as much value as a thread on whether or not Rush should be more highly regarded, to what purpose baffles me, is it so that Rush fans have something to be proud of, what do you Rush dorks want out of this, more Rush threads for your silly Rush heads
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Haha, ban the moderator, riiiight....I'm intrigued, Aaron, what makes you think you're so much better than the others on this site. And why even come here? To make yourself feel better about yourself?
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toothpick2112
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Posted: July 30 2006 at 14:58 |
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I completly agree.
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Can we put Rush in the super prog category?
