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AtLossForWords 
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 Posted: July 27 2006 at 16:58 |
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Not a difficult choice at all....6 Degrees by a MILE.Besides Scenes from a Memory I think SDoIT is one of Dream Theater's best albums. |
I like Six Degrees more than I like Scenes From a Memory, I think Six Degrees would recieve much more of the acclaim it deserved if it would've been separated from Scenes a little bit. Six Degrees is more known as "the album after Scenes" rather than the amibitious and experimental album it is.
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Asphalt
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Posted: July 28 2006 at 03:27 |
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well, i guess Six Degrees is winning by a long one; not really surprising i say; it is one of their most ambitious, although flawed records; not masterpiece but pretty good; Octavarium however is neither of those
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toolis
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Posted: August 28 2006 at 03:49 |
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octavarium is ok but six.. is far better..
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Sloth
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Posted: August 28 2006 at 21:28 |
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6 degrees is leaps and bounds ahead of Octavarium!
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BUH!!! It's what the Buffalo say!
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sean
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Posted: August 29 2006 at 00:40 |
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i'm not sure if this is asking about the album or the song. but i think either way i'd go with six degrees of inner turbulance.
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sleeper
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Posted: August 29 2006 at 07:54 |
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Six Degrees without doubt, Octavarium is a very poor album IMO.
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Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Cristi
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Posted: August 29 2006 at 17:05 |
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. 
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Kleynan
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Posted: August 29 2006 at 19:20 |
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Six degrees easily...
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You've just had a heavy session of electroshock therapy, and you're more relaxed than you've been in weeks.
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Dr4Wazo
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Posted: August 29 2006 at 21:35 |
I hated Octavarium but I finally love some of the songs since I heard "SCORE". 
I vote for Six Degrees, one of my fav from DT.
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"Mëem Otsilennhetëe Dros Sun Surra Steuhn Do Nansei"
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OpethGuitarist
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Posted: August 29 2006 at 22:53 |
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Anything over plagiarism.
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AtLossForWords
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Posted: August 29 2006 at 23:19 |
OpethGuitarist wrote:
Anything over plagiarism.
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Yeah, that's why I don't listen to extreme metal anymore. 
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OpethGuitarist
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Posted: August 29 2006 at 23:26 |
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you do know what I'm referring to right Vincent?
and just curious who you are referring to
for example, who exactly has Meshuggah plagiarized
Allan holdsworth is the closest i can think of, in relation to thordendal's solo's which have a similar quality to them
I don't listen to plagiarized stuff, and if I find out it has been, id stop listening to it and listen ot the original
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AtLossForWords
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Posted: August 29 2006 at 23:31 |
OpethGuitarist wrote:
you do know what I'm referring to right Vincent?
and just curious who you are referring to
for example, who exactly has Meshuggah plagiarized
Allan holdsworth is the closest i can think of, in relation to thordendal's solo's which have a similar quality to them
I don't listen to plagiarized stuff, and if I find out it has been, id stop listening to it and listen ot the original
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How about Tool for a start. Playing the same rythmns with a guitar in a lower tuning isn't exactly original. 99% of Extreme Metal (not necessarily Extreme Prog Metal) is plagarized. It's an open minor scale with a lot of distortion and constant bass drum hits on a double pedal. 
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OpethGuitarist
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Posted: August 29 2006 at 23:35 |
well yes true, i dont exactly listen to that though  And Tool? hmm I dont think so. You are stretching the term plagiarism a bit. Thats like saying because they play guitars/bass/drums they are plagiarisng. Tool has one of the most unreproduceable sounds. Especially considering the uniqueness of manyard's voice and the typically strange tonal choices of Adam Octavarium taking several parts from Muse and trying to copy everything about them = specific example of plagiarism that should not be tolerated in the music community here You can bash extreme metal all you want, I don't listen to bands like Cryptopsy and etc., but that still doesnt take away from the fact that its a FACT that DT plagiarized another band. Blaming other bands for doing it doesn't make the fact that DT did it less worse.
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AtLossForWords
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Posted: August 29 2006 at 23:39 |
OpethGuitarist wrote:
well yes true, i dont exactly listen to that though
And Tool? hmm I dont think so. You are stretching the term plagiarism a bit. Thats like saying because they play guitars/bass/drums they are plagiarisng.
Tool has one of the most unreproduceable sounds. Especially considering the uniqueness of manyard's voice and the typically strange tonal choices of Adam
Octavarium taking several parts from Muse and trying to copy everything about them = specific example of plagiarism that should not be tolerated in the music community here
You can bash extreme metal all you want, I don't listen to bands like Cryptopsy and etc., but that still doesnt take away from the fact that its a FACT that DT plagiarized another band. Blaming other bands for doing it doesn't make the fact that DT did it less worse.
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You're forgetting one thing, plagarism quotes sources. Mike Portnoy has publicly stated that "I Walk Beside You" and "Never Enough" are respectively tributes to U2 and Muse. If you understand the point behind Octavarium being somewhat of a tribute to Dream Theater's influences of the past 20 years, you might appreciate it more. I would like you to explain where matierial on Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, Awake, Falling Into Infinity, and Images and Words is plagarized. Saying a band "plagarizes" because their "20th Anniversary Album" pays tribute to influences is...well bullsh*t.
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stonebeard
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Posted: August 29 2006 at 23:39 |
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Until you provide me with scored for Octavarium and whatever Muse song they copied, what you're saying is conjecture and sounds rather biased.
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The Miracle
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Posted: August 29 2006 at 23:42 |
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Six Degrees for me... in my top 3 favorite DT albums. 6DOIT epic vs. Octavarium epic... same, 6DOIT wins.
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OpethGuitarist
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Posted: August 29 2006 at 23:51 |
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Pretty sure I only discussed Octavarium and none of their other work, which is not plagiarized from my knowledge.
Way to make assumptions about the whole band when I talk about a specific work.
I have the CD, please show me the liner notes where it says that those songs are sourced. Did I miss an extra sleeve? Sourcing correctly, and even not doing so, could still qualify as plagiarism. EXAMPLE:
If i was to copy Einsteins' relativitry theory and release it as my own and later say, well Einstein really influenced me and my ideas.
Guess what, it would still be plagiarism.
@stonebeard
Conjecture?
It's pretty widely recognized. I'm not the only one who picked up on it, I just happen to be one of the more vocal ones. Maybe its cause of my more or less disdain with the projects the band has had since the departure of Kevin Moore.
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AtLossForWords
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Posted: August 29 2006 at 23:54 |
OpethGuitarist wrote:
Pretty sure I only discussed Octavarium and none of their other work, which is not plagiarized from my knowledge.
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Yes, you made that very clear when you posted this.
OpethGuitarist wrote:
Anything over plagiarism. |
Now how exactly do all of us non-psychoanalytic-mind-readers know what you're talking about. Next time try expressing yourself with a sentance, it's much much clearer.
Edited by AtLossForWords - August 29 2006 at 23:54
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OpethGuitarist
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Posted: August 30 2006 at 00:05 |
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"anything" implied to the original poll question... as in SDOIT was my vote...
sorry for the confusion
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