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Bob Greece
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Joined: July 04 2005
Location: Greece
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Points: 1823
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Posted: July 24 2006 at 11:00 |
pirkka wrote:
And where do you put these: Moody Blues, Caravan, Barclay James Harvest, Camel, Deep Purple, Gentle Giant, Renaissance, Strawbs, Uriah Heep, VdGG?
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Not proggy enough:
Moody Blues
Barclay James Harvest
Deep Purple
Uriah Heep
Not popular enough:
Caravan
Camel
Gentle Giant
Renaissance
Strawbs
VdGG
No offense to anyone. I'm not the one who thought up the idea of the "Big 6".
Edited by Bob Greece - July 24 2006 at 11:01
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pirkka
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Location: Finland
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Posted: July 24 2006 at 11:27 |
I don't know who thinks that he has some authority to say that these bands belong to some big 6 but IMHO popularity can not, must not be a factor when you decide the big X of prog. Pop is popular. Art has never been.
If Moody Blues is not in the big whatsoever then no band is. It's helluva proggy and it was there in the beginning. (And they were popular as well. They did not rent an aeroplane like the rest did. They had their own!)
Pirkka
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Padraic
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Posted: July 24 2006 at 11:42 |
erik neuteboom wrote:
I am curious to your opinion about this: am I too subjective as a huge Rush fan or do Rush deserve a place among Yes, Genesis, ELP, Pink Floyd and King Crimson in the super prog category?
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Didn't know you were such a huge Rush fan, but anyways . I think it's difficult to be completely objective about Rush's place in the prog pantheon when you're a big fan of their music; also, when discussing prog "greats" is it solely the quality of musical output, or do we take into account influence on the prog scene and other such factors? Personally, I don't think I'd be too out of line by putting them in the same class as ELP and King Crimson, and maybe close to Floyd. I'd think that Yes and Genesis will probably remain in a class above - certainly I've expressed many times here my belief that Yes is the pinnacle of progressive music.
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erik neuteboom
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Location: Netherlands
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Posted: July 24 2006 at 12:46 |
From the very first moment I heard Rush (All The World's A Stage), I was impressed by their interplay and dynamic sound and since then they only improved with the Exit Stage Left era as their pinnacle in my opinion. I was also lucky to see them many times between 1979-1986 so they became my second favorite progrock band, after 70-77 Genesis.
I am pleased with the many reactions, unfortunately Tony R is asleep ...
Edited by erik neuteboom - July 24 2006 at 12:47
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Cygnus X-2
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Posted: July 24 2006 at 12:48 |
erik neuteboom wrote:
From the very first moment I heard Rush (All The World's A Stage), I was impressed by their interplay and dynamic sound and since then they only improved with the Exit Stage Left era as their pinnacle in my opinion. I was also lucky to see them many times between 1979-1986 so they became my second favorite progrock band, after 70-77 Genesis.
I am pleased with the many reactions, unfortunately Tony R is asleep ... |
Tony R shouldn't be asleep, it's around 6 in the evening where he is, Eric. And he's on vacation, so why would he be here? And I do agree with what you stated at the beginning of this thread
Edited by Cygnus X-2 - July 24 2006 at 12:48
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Flip_Stone
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Location: United States
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Posted: July 24 2006 at 13:00 |
RUSH? Super-prog??? I don't think so.
This is the same band that started drifting away from prog. in the late 1980's, and still hasn't returned.
Let's instead put them in the Overrated category, along with Yes and Pink Floyd...
Edited by Flip_Stone - July 24 2006 at 13:00
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cuncuna
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Location: Chile
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Posted: July 24 2006 at 13:00 |
I like some aspects of Rush music; but ¿"Supergroup"?... their discography is too uneven. In fact, their albums are too uneven. Even the good ones are good ones because of a percentage of the whole thing; while songs like "Cinderella Man" work their way to lead albums to ruin. The way I see it, Rush is a less focused band than Pink Floyd, for example.
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¡Beware of the Bee!
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Masque
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Posted: July 24 2006 at 13:09 |
I have my own top 6 and Rush are in it ! it does at times seem like people still think the prog world is flat once you step outside Europe you fall over the edge .. well its not flat unless you like it being flat ... but wouldn`t that thinking be limiting and some what anti progressive ?
Edited by Masque - July 24 2006 at 13:12
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glass house
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Posted: July 24 2006 at 13:44 |
I don't really care if they are of the big 5, 6 or 7. I like them alot. That's all that matters for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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BaldJean
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Location: Germany
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Posted: July 24 2006 at 14:32 |
not even in the big 20 for me
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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glass house
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Posted: July 24 2006 at 14:41 |
BaldJean wrote:
not even in the big 20 for me |
We know, BaldJean .
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billbuckner
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Posted: July 24 2006 at 15:00 |
Flip_Stone wrote:
RUSH? Super-prog??? I don't think so.
This is the same band that started drifting away from prog. in the late 1980's, and still hasn't returned.
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Wow! I mean, like, none of the other big prog bands did that!
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Eetu Pellonpaa
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Posted: July 24 2006 at 15:17 |
I think the overall quality of RUSH's releases through the years is totally awesome, and in this field they beat GENESIS, YES and even KING CRIMSON, though I enjoy KC's music more, and I think it's more imaginative. Still, they are one of the great bands, though they started quite late, wasn't their first album out 1974? Their music also started to gain progressive elements little later, when the first generation of classic prog started to fade out.
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dralan
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Posted: July 24 2006 at 15:24 |
I love Rush as much as the next guy, but I cant say I'd place them in the 'super prog' category along with Yes, Genesis etc. I was a huge Rush fan in their heyday and seen them 4 times from '78-'81. I know there is alot of people here who like their later material, but to me it is very uninspired and unfocused. Rush may have had some prog elements to their music, but Ive always seen them as something like thinking mans hard-rock power trio, not full blown progressive.
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sm sm
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Posted: July 24 2006 at 15:32 |
When they are "more faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings at a single bound" then Rush or any other band can be labeled as "Superprog".
Any progressive rock band that continues to tough it out, well knowing they are not going to sell a lot of cds through playing this music today, and does not sell out, like Genesis, or a lot of bands that came after the prog heyday and continued play this unfashionable music are "superprog" bands in my book.
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Liquid Len
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Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: July 24 2006 at 15:37 |
Rush...Prog?
Oh don't make me laugh.....no don't you're killing me!
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Can you tell me where my country lies?
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erik neuteboom
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Location: Netherlands
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Posted: July 24 2006 at 15:56 |
Funny to notice that since I became a Rush fan, this band still succeeds to evoke totally opposite opinions as you can read in the reactions till so far. Lots of progheads are very positive and even sheer euphoric, others seem to take the opportunity to release some venom and sarcasm, it's all between hail and nail ... !
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BaldFriede
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Location: Germany
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Posted: July 24 2006 at 16:05 |
I'd rather put Gong into the super prog category. some of the very best prog musicians played in that band
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BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue.
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erik neuteboom
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Location: Netherlands
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Posted: July 24 2006 at 16:08 |
"Not even in the big 20 for me" ... ..!
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alan_pfeifer
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Posted: July 24 2006 at 16:12 |
I've always considered them top-tier material. I don't see how Rush aren't as influential as other bands.
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