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The Lost Chord
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 23 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1907 |
Topic: Does anyone feel they can't play with oth Posted: July 17 2006 at 20:59 |
whenever I try to jam with people, I feel like they are just awful and cannot keep up with the awesomeness I am trying to achieve.
No ONE I know listens to prog, and they can only handle simple stuff. Does anyone find it easy to just pick up with someone who doesnt really listen to the same stuff as you?
I feel like in order to form a band or play with someone they have to be on the same page, or levbel even.
Prog is absoluteley brilliant and most people cannot handle a keyboard run and cant fit right on drums and bass.
its awful!
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Zoso
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 29 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 501 |
Posted: July 17 2006 at 21:03 |
I'm really fortunate to live in a town with a lot of really really
talented musicians my age. I haven't had a bad jam in a long time. A
lot of them listen to prog too, so we can appreciate each other's often
eccentric playing.
I'm sorry to hear about your difficulties though. Just look around for other guys to jam with, or be patient. My friend Colin sucked at drumming a year ago, but I made it a point to jam with him as often as possible and push his limits, and now he sounds ten times better than when we started jamming. |
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Cygnus X-2
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 24 2004 Location: Bucketheadland Status: Offline Points: 21342 |
Posted: July 17 2006 at 21:06 |
Sometimes you'll have to make compromises when you play with people who don't listen to prog. Try and throw in bits of it here and there, but I would recommend just play at their level and try and help them improve.
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AtLossForWords
Prog Reviewer Joined: October 11 2005 Status: Offline Points: 6699 |
Posted: July 17 2006 at 21:09 |
Wow triple post Cygmund.
I don't enjoy just jamming either, before I play with people, I like to get an idea of were the music is supposed to go.
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Cygnus X-2
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 24 2004 Location: Bucketheadland Status: Offline Points: 21342 |
Posted: July 17 2006 at 21:10 |
Yeah, internet connection issues. |
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dralan
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 29 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 339 |
Posted: July 17 2006 at 21:26 |
Ya thats one of the reasons I play classical guitar almost exclusively now. Besides the fact that Im older now and I have a wife and kids, to me its not as fun as it used to be just to get together with buddies and jam on old Sabbath or Zeppelin. I no longer really want to be in a rock band even though music is still my first love. Im not putting myself above anyone, its just my tastes have changed and its a hell of a lot easier just to pick up and classical guitar and go.
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Philéas
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 14 2006 Status: Offline Points: 6419 |
Posted: July 17 2006 at 21:31 |
Although I really have no problem with jamming with people who have
different tastes and/or are below my level, people might have problem
with me. I have realised that I am a pretty eccentric player.
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chamberry
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 24 2005 Location: Puerto Rico Status: Offline Points: 9008 |
Posted: July 17 2006 at 22:23 |
I see what you mean. I'm fairly new playing guitar and I wanted to make a very simple yet beautiful song by Explosions in the sky. I only needed at least another guitarist to make the song, but a friend of mine who plays guitar said that the song is too slow and he doesn't like it because there isn't too much happening . That bummed me out. I guess he'll never play a single ballad just because it's "too slow" or "there isn't much to play in it"
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The Lost Chord
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 23 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1907 |
Posted: July 18 2006 at 01:27 |
YEAH!! Well, hopefuly my friend is a good drummer...hes been wanting to play with me for a long time, and he is kind of lost when it comes to what he really likes...so ill give him a try.
Honestly, I am openly very forceful and viscious when it comes to playing with other people. If i dont like how you play I cant play with you, simple as. I cant simply TEACH someone how awesome prog is and how they SHOULD be playing more like bruford than the drum beat to a britney spears song.
Its annoying, and I really just stop playing sometimes, I cannot stand it. I respect Fripp and Mavers for what I used to think was craziness, they were RIGHT, if someone cant play FUDGE EM ! GO PRACTICE AND LISTEN TO SOME GOOD MUSIC
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Ivan_Melgar_M
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19535 |
Posted: July 18 2006 at 01:30 |
When I played we had to comp´romise, they accepted to play some popular prog tracks like Point of Know Return, Crime of the Century and I had to accept playing Follow You Follow Me plus some Asia stuff
But honestly, neither they or I were capable of making justice to the real icons.
Iván
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heyitsthatguy
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 17 2006 Location: Washington Hgts Status: Offline Points: 10094 |
Posted: July 18 2006 at 01:43 |
I know what it feels like to be in a band with differing tastes. Try an alternative guy, a techno/rap guy, and pop/punk music all in one band! Although the alternative guy and the techno one's tastes have moved on to prog |
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Eetu Pellonpaa
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 17 2005 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 4828 |
Posted: July 18 2006 at 02:05 |
I have had luck, and I have two insane friends to share my music tastes and improvisational ambitions! Here's one of our jam: http://www.mikseri.net/music/play.php?id=112855&type=dl
Edited by Eetu Pellonpää - July 18 2006 at 02:06 |
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Man With Hat
Collaborator Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team Joined: March 12 2005 Location: Neurotica Status: Offline Points: 166178 |
Posted: July 18 2006 at 02:11 |
Unfortunately things usually go bad when i'm jamming with people. Most of my friends who make music, know other bands' songs, and thus play those constantly. Me, not knowing how to play the melodies or anything, seem out of place playing my marimba.
With this said, there is one guy who meshes with me pretty well, and we've created some cool sounding things.
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
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penguindf12
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 20 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 831 |
Posted: July 18 2006 at 03:35 |
jamming can be difficult, even when you're all very good (perhaps especially if you're all very good). i joined a quote "Swedish-influenced metal band" and it seems to work out okay. we don't jam so much as just write stuff. the one practice we've had so far was great; the drummer gave a 7/4 beat at random, and we just wrote an intro and all. things just went together, even though I don't like metal all that much. granted, we have different tastes - but as musicians, we seem to be on the same page.
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Zoso
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 29 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 501 |
Posted: July 18 2006 at 12:38 |
That sucks man. Jamming's all about making your own stuff up and making it work. |
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GoldenSpiral
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 27 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3839 |
Posted: July 18 2006 at 12:58 |
As a bassist, I've always played by ear and I've been able to pick up and play with just about anyone. I've jammed with several metal bands, punk, blues, and even a prog-type creation recently. It depends on the people, but you really need a place to start. Get a basic idea down first and expand it later. You cant try to create a masterpiece all in one go unless you're really really good.
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Empathy
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 30 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1864 |
Posted: July 18 2006 at 14:57 |
I'm sorry but this statement is just hilarious. It just clicked for me what you remind me of sometimes... http://www.realultimatepower.net/ That said, I understand that it's frustrating sometimes when you're jamming with people who are into something very different than you. But maybe you could try being a little patient? There's got to be some common ground somewhere. |
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Pure Brilliance:
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Hierophant
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 11 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 651 |
Posted: July 20 2006 at 03:53 |
Write it yourself if you're so good. MIDI sequencing software is readily available for free.
Learn to play bass and drums. If you feel it's so easy than just go ahead and do it. You sound like one of those guys that whenever someone plucks a note or hits a drum you start yelling "NO NO NO... NOT THAT WAY!!... THIS WAY! DADA DODO DA DA DEE DUM DA DOO" |
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EssentialFaris
Forum Groupie Joined: July 26 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 48 |
Posted: August 10 2006 at 14:26 |
You shouldn't worry about different tastes, except for the fact is may break you in the end...I had some friends, one was a folk guitarist/bassist, a prog organist, an amazing multi talented lead guitarist, a decent soft rock guitarist, and a punkish rock drummer, and they were the most rockin' unsigned band i ever saw, some members began to get full of themselves though, and they did alot of selfish things, they disbanded, but you guys should still check what they still have up on their page.
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The Lost Chord
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 23 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1907 |
Posted: August 18 2006 at 11:20 |
heirophant, i CAN play guitar, flute, piano, drums, bass and pretty much ANYTHING you throw at me....because im FIENDISH for music so its not that hard. BUT SOMETIMES YOU NEED A BAND TO MAKE GOOD MUSIC!!!! I need the rhythm, i need it all going at once, i cant record myself and play over it i just dont feel it, yuou would know if you were quite nearly as fiendish. |
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