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Atkingani 
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 Posted: July 12 2006 at 13:31 |
 Logos wrote:
Atkingani wrote:
Not the way the orchestra plays...
1. CDs (just like movies) are sometimes released first outside the "world" (Europe/North America) for several merchandise reasons.
2. In the case of new CDs, many bands (or labels) intentionally let them leak to feel the wrist of future buyers and also to guarantee a bunch of positive reviews (generally those first to review are die hard fans and the ratings are high).
3. That way, not all copies are illegal and not all reviewers are acting illegally.
Hence, the Admins, Collabs and Forum Members of PA use to do a research before shooting astray with the danger not only missing the target but hitting innocent people. |
That's all wrong in this case, I'm afraid.
The Mars Volta have published one song - Viscera Eyes - on their MySpace site. Obviously they wanted to give the public a little taste of what to expect. But not the whole album! They have NOT and will NOT let the album leak intentionally. All leaks are illegal.
Yes, you're probably right that it depends on the case but in this case all reviews and ratings should be deleted.
Until that Prog Archives officially accepts illegal downloading. No matter what you say. If that's fine, then so be it. But please, if you delete everything that is even remotely related to illegal file sharing activities here on the forum, at least act consistently and do so on the main site as well. Otherwise it's just ridiculous and seriously affects your credibility, at least in my eyes.
Nothing personal here, Atkingani. Just how I feel.
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I understood, Logos and the information contained in your post is part of the research I've asked for. So no "official leak" occured.
But didn't some people received an advanced promo for review purposes? I've met some situations like that here in PA (not for this case)... that's my doubt.
Edited by Atkingani - July 12 2006 at 13:31
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Mikerinos
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 13:34 |
Geck0 wrote:
What is it about August 22nd?
Three albums are coming out that day that I want.
Gov't Mule's new one, White Willow's new one and now TMV's new one. Weird!
It shall be a busy end of month for me!
As for reviews, I agree with Stonie, et al., albums shouldn't be reviewed before an album has been released, unless someone has officially been sent a promotional copy (because they're a reviewer or something).
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It's a day before my birthday, so maybe they all want me to buy their albums? 
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The Wizard
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 13:39 |
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Basically, I'm really hyped about this album! Me and a few of my friends a huge volta fans, it's basically going to be pure manna!
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Ghandi 2
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 14:14 |
Atkingani wrote:
I understood, Logos and the information contained in your post is part of the research I've asked for. So no "official leak" occured.
But didn't some people received an advanced promo for review purposes? I've met some situations like that here in PA (not for this case)... that's my doubt. |
I really don't think that's the case with these reviews; however, even if it is, the people who actually have legally listened to the album can simply repost their reviews once it is officially released. At this point it appears that PA condones listening to leaks, since the average viewer will assume that those reviews simply listened to the links as very, very few people receive advance review copies, especially this early.
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Easy Livin
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 17:04 |
Progarchives does not condone illegal activity. Indeed, we are often criticised for our attempts prevent file sharing on our site.
We are not however in position to judge how people come into possession of the albums they review. If people chose to indulge in illegal activity outwith the site, that is up to them.
As far as Progarchives is concerned, we wish to add information on new releases as soon as it becomes available. If people chose to submit reviews of those albums before their official release date in their country that is up to them. We are not in a position to monitor when albums are released in different countries, or who has advance copies, promos etc.
Those submitting such reviews should be aware though that if they have indulged in illegal activity, submitting a review may offer a useful pointer to the authorities that they have done so.
If we become aware of any attempts at manipulation of the ratings, these will be dealt with per the existing rules.
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eugene
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 17:27 |
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^^^It makes sense!!!
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carefulwiththataxe
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Padraic
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Posted: July 13 2006 at 22:03 |
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First 10,000 Days, now this. I too felt uneasy about seeing a
review on the main page - it's not like the release date is even that
close, it's 5 weeks away! But here's an attempt not to be
US-centric - Aug. 22 is the US release date, anyone know if there are
earlier release dates in other countries? At least if the site
waited until that date to add the entry it could put a patina of
credibility on the whole matter of legal/illegal - but like the admins
stated, it's a lot of extra work trying to pin down release dates over
all the world to satisfy this criteria.
This being said, having early reviews on the site is pretty tame - it
does not condone illegal downloading nor does it reference any means of
obtaining such, so there's really little harm I suppose.
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OpethGuitarist
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Posted: July 13 2006 at 23:33 |
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I think that you should take everyone's review with a grain of salt. We are all human.
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back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums
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goose
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Posted: July 14 2006 at 04:54 |
Atkingani wrote:
But didn't some people received an advanced promo for review purposes? I've met some situations like that here in PA (not for this case)... that's my doubt. |
The first high quality leaks almost always come from promos (I don't know about this one because it's a bit of an odd encoding). So if it's been leaked, it's almost certain that a significant number of people also have legal copies too. Which means that any review could potentially be legitimate!
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Figglesnout
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Posted: July 17 2006 at 20:47 |
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just a thought. the person that runs the TMV myspace is the same person that runs the Comatorium forums and knows the band. take into account that over at the Comatorium forums they have a whole section labled "Spoiler" for peoplewho download the leak and listen to it and talk in the spoiler section of the forum. this person put viscera eyes on the myspace and runs the spoiler forum under the eyes of the band members themselves. i'm pretty sure if the mars votla catred so much about the leak than it wouldn't happen. the band hated the frances leak because it was such bad quality. this leak is near perfect quality and will not badly reflect what the realy album will sound like at all--it is virtually the same if you edit out the silence added by encrypting AAC files to mp3. delete the silence and you have the real amputechture! and if it bothers people THIS MUCH i promise my review is accurate and also that i will be buying probably more than one copy of the album when it releases =) alright i'm done
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I'm a reasonable man, get off my case
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Easy Livin
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Posted: July 18 2006 at 03:25 |
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But often it's not the band who own the copyright, it's the record label. The fact that the band doesn't mind, or even condones the leak, does not make it legal.
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Figglesnout
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Posted: July 18 2006 at 12:21 |
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I know it's the fact that they are on a major record label otherwise leaks wouldn't be a big deal at all. I really hate their record label (Universal) because it seems that they have done nothing but pester the band. GSL is alright though and I believe that GSL is and indie label however I cannot remember. Anyways I was just trying to throw it out there that those of us that download the leak aren't like commiting the ultimate sin or anything. We're just excited to hear new music from one of our favorite bands. And by the way it's safe to assume that at least 70% of those that download the leak will get the reall thing--especially because of the Mars Volta's stress on artwork (not really "stress" but their artwork is a part of the overall experience) and also because the leak is most likely not the "final" version though this time it is very close...the only thing i can possibly hear being doen is volumizing and having the flows being fixed. Otherwise the leak IS the album...anyways I just don't like getting the rat because some people download a readily availible leak. It's not much consolation, but I'm happy with my review I suppose (I wish the others would write good reviews !!!) and I'm happy because I know that I will be buying a few copies when the album comes out--and I will be trying to get a vinyl pressing so that = three...the band gets their money from me (I also have T-shirts and two single 10" and Scabdates on vinyl...and I'm looking to get the other two studio albums on vinyl too...). Anyways I just wanted to point out that at least some of us leak-downloadeds aren't looking for trouble or to be screamed at. Also I'm not much worried if the reviews are deleted or not--I had planned to edit mine when the album came out anyways (it opens up witrh "this album hasn't been released yet..."). Anyways, cheers to all and enjoy the new album whenever you choose to get it.
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I'm a reasonable man, get off my case
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Gog/Magog
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Posted: August 07 2006 at 07:57 |
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Well seeing as the release date has been put back to September due to the leak, they are either remixing or re-recording parts of the album, so all the reviews on here are now defunct!
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Evans
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Posted: August 07 2006 at 08:08 |
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That could be a good thing though, couldn't it?
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