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    Posted: July 01 2006 at 22:44
Originally posted by mithrandir mithrandir wrote:

Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

Originally posted by mithrandir mithrandir wrote:

the Knead CD is probably the best out of the 3 Haino + Ruins/yoshida collaberations mentioned thus far,

 
Could I ask which of the two Knead CD's you have, or which one you would recommend?
 
the one I have is the first S/T on PSF, I know there is a second album out there from what I can remember it was vinyl only, but they might have reissued it on CD by now, I definitely like that Knead CD that I have the tunings and mix of the instruments compliment the improvised chaos perfectly, good raunchy yet crisp sound,


Yes I'm pretty sure the second album is still only availible on Vinyl, well that is the case from all the places I have checked. Also it seems to be limited to something like 500, so I better be quick if I want to get my hands on it. I think I will try and start with the self titled one you have as it seems like a good starting place.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2006 at 22:41
Originally posted by Root_Pepper Root_Pepper wrote:

Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

Thanks for that. The sample were indeed very good, I'm appreciating there work. I think I will have to track down some of their works.


Yes, in fact after listening to the Knead samples in your other thread, the two projects sound rather similar - obviously due the fact they share 2/3 of the same lineup. But nevertheless very cool that this is so!

Here's a site of Haino Keiji's discography that I really appreciate:

http://poisonpie.com/sounds/haino/text/index1.html


And here's the Sanhedolin album I am talking about:




Thanks for the link... that page has been getting a bit of a flogging over the last few months. I wish some of the stuff on there was little more readly avaible over where I live, I would buy a lot of his material. The Sanhedolin stuff sounded really good along with the short samples of Knead, very intense but for me that is something good. Took me a while to get used to the whole intensity of the Japanese scene, but after getting into it I really do love the sound. I'm actually really looking forwards to trying to find both there albums.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2006 at 21:08
Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

Originally posted by mithrandir mithrandir wrote:

the Knead CD is probably the best out of the 3 Haino + Ruins/yoshida collaberations mentioned thus far,

 
Could I ask which of the two Knead CD's you have, or which one you would recommend?
 
the one I have is the first S/T on PSF, I know there is a second album out there from what I can remember it was vinyl only, but they might have reissued it on CD by now, I definitely like that Knead CD that I have the tunings and mix of the instruments compliment the improvised chaos perfectly, good raunchy yet crisp sound,
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2006 at 21:04
Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

Thanks for that. The sample were indeed very good, I'm appreciating there work. I think I will have to track down some of their works.


Yes, in fact after listening to the Knead samples in your other thread, the two projects sound rather similar - obviously due the fact they share 2/3 of the same lineup. But nevertheless very cool that this is so!

Here's a site of Haino Keiji's discography that I really appreciate:

http://poisonpie.com/sounds/haino/text/index1.html


And here's the Sanhedolin album I am talking about:




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2006 at 21:27
Originally posted by mithrandir mithrandir wrote:

the Knead CD is probably the best out of the 3 Haino + Ruins/yoshida collaberations mentioned thus far,

 
Could I ask which of the two Knead CD's you have, or which one you would recommend?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2006 at 21:26
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Sanhedolin is separate from Knead, I am really interested in hearing Knead! I think you would much appreciate Sanhedolin!

I believe this site has two samples of their music:

http://www.everythingisfire.com/index.php?itemid=124

 
Thanks for that. The sample were indeed very good, I'm appreciating there work. I think I will have to track down some of their works.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2006 at 20:36

the Knead CD is probably the best out of the 3 Haino + Ruins/yoshida collaberations mentioned thus far,



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2006 at 17:12
Sanhedolin is separate from Knead, I am really interested in hearing Knead! I think you would much appreciate Sanhedolin!

I believe this site has two samples of their music:

http://www.everythingisfire.com/index.php?itemid=124

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2006 at 21:45
I have heard Keniji Haino has done some other collaborative work with some of the members from Ruins under the title "Knead". Is "Sanhedolin" one the albums by "Knead"? Or in turn have you heard of the above mentional collaboration?

Yes I would have to agree with you it is more towards the Avant-Garde/noise side of the spectrum but fantastic never less
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2006 at 21:35
Yes! Keiji Haino is fantastic, and so is the New Rap album. I have another album with the two of them (Keiji Haino and Yoshida Tatsuya), plus bassist Mitsuru Nasuno. It's called "Sanhedolin" and is fantastic. Not very zeuhl, but more avant-rock in the same vein.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2006 at 19:55
Yes I am very much of a fan of his works, well the ones I have heard. I very much am quite impressed what the Japanese scene has to offer this genre. Other than owning a few Ruins albums. I have a album where he worked with another Japanese legend which maybe people have not heard of called Keniji Hanio. The album is called New Rap (The title has nothing to do with the music inside). This album contains from my opinion some of his best drumming I have heard.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2006 at 19:46
Originally posted by pepo pepo wrote:

I haven't heard too many zeuhl albums but Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh is quite dark the intro speech is almost frightening. I wouldn't recommend it to a jew.


Why? What is said?

Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

Originally posted by Root_Pepper Root_Pepper wrote:


Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

for ultimate Zeuhl darkness, try Sons by Vander, Blasquiz, Garber and Top.


Sounds awesome. But I'm having trouble finding anything on it online.
Know of any links that sell it or places I could hear a sample?


This is a little bit of information/review...


Thanks for the links and help.

Anyone here like Yoshida Tatsuya's zeuhl work? He's in plenty of music ventures - most of which I would call zeuhl. Drummer/Singer/Composer who is obsessed with Magma - He plays in Ruins, Koenjihyakkei, others...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2006 at 09:45
Probably the third SHUB NIGGURATH album (or fourth if you count the live cassette) "C'Etaient Des Tres Grand Vents". A very weird, minimalist and eerie album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2006 at 09:36
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Shub Niggurath - Les Morts Vont Vite



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2006 at 07:20
Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

Originally posted by pepo pepo wrote:

I haven't heard too many zeuhl albums but Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh is quite dark the intro speech is almost frightening. I wouldn't recommend it to a jew.


I have read some rumours about Vander having Nazi sympathies, but I don't think it's true. The fact alone that he is a great fan of John Coltrane makes it very unlikely (Nazi's weren't very tolerant towards either Afro-American people and jazz).
 
Also Vander has Gypsy ancestory, and happily expresses that in his music (the nazis slaughtered many gypsy's)



  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2006 at 07:13
Originally posted by pepo pepo wrote:

I haven't heard too many zeuhl albums but Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh is quite dark the intro speech is almost frightening. I wouldn't recommend it to a jew.


I have read some rumours about Vander having Nazi sympathies, but I don't think it's true. The fact alone that he is a great fan of John Coltrane makes it very unlikely (Nazi's weren't very tolerant towards either Afro-American people and jazz).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2006 at 23:22
I haven't heard too many zeuhl albums but Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh is quite dark the intro speech is almost frightening. I wouldn't recommend it to a jew.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2006 at 21:06
Originally posted by Root_Pepper Root_Pepper wrote:


Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

for ultimate Zeuhl darkness, try Sons by Vander, Blasquiz, Garber and Top.


Sounds awesome. But I'm having trouble finding anything on it online.
Know of any links that sell it or places I could hear a sample?


This is a little bit of information/review.

Here's a pretty fantastic discovery we just made (although the disc was released a few years ago). It's a seventy-minute long single track entitled "Neheh", the result of four members of French prog-weirdos Magma jamming together one night in '73. We thought this would sound like a scaled down Magma, or some sort of jazz improv session. But, instead, this neither. It's absolutely unlike the jackboot precision of Magma circa '73's "Mechanik Destructiw Kommandoh" (which was in fact recorded, like, the next day!). Although this does share the esoteric spiritual aspects of Magma, there's none of Magma's grandiose rock/jazz/Wagner fusion here. Rather, it's a late-night excursion into kosmiche avant-hippy freakout realms, starting with unearthly vocal chant/drone and moving into percussion spasms, clarinet eruptions, and organ improv. So, instead of mother-band Magma, this should be compared to Amon Duul, the Sun City Girls, the No Neck Blues Band, Yahowah 13, and (closer to home) Thuja. Beautiful and wild, totally inspired. It's strange that this went unreleased until the '90s-- maybe Vander and Co. didn't want to dilute the Magma concept with something so loose and organic and, uh, 'of the times'. Still, it's one of our absolute favorite Magma-related documents, and should even appeal to those scared off by Magma's prog/fusion chops. Recommended!! (By the way, along with this, we've restocked a bunch of Magma classics, and we definitely have 'em at the best price you'll probably find anywhere.)

from http://www.aquariusrecords.org/cat/v36.html where you are able to purchase the album, just look down the bottom of the page.

I'm also sure they would most likely stock it at Magma's record label, Seventh Records.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2006 at 20:00
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

for ultimate Zeuhl darkness, try Sons by Vander, Blasquiz, Garber and Top.


Sounds awesome. But I'm having trouble finding anything on it online. Know of any links that sell it or places I could hear a sample?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2006 at 17:07
Shub Niggurath - Les Morts Vont Vites seems to the popular choice, and a very good one too.
Nice to see Guapo mentioned here - Black Oni is the deeper and darker of the two albums by the current version.
Univers Zero have a strong Zeuhl connection, and both 1313 and the magnificent Heresie are dark masterpieces.
But for ultimate Zeuhl darkness, try Sons by Vander, Blasquiz, Garber and Top. It's a 70 minute group improvisation recorded in glorious mono just after they'd finished recording MDK at the Manor, and it's one of the darkest things I've heard in any genre. Not for the faint of heart.
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