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bhikkhu
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 06 2006 Location: AČ Michigan Status: Offline Points: 5109 |
Topic: Trolling? Posted: June 18 2006 at 04:51 |
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I am curious about this one. This member, jj1414, obviously is not a prog fan, and seems to just want to antagonise those that are.
Thread topic, Overrated I sent a private message, asking why this person would do this, and in her reply she stated she wanted to discuss her dislike of Prog Rock and its "snotty fans". - Moderator note,please do not post exact copies of PMs.These are Private Messages and should remain private. Now, I'm pretty new here, and not that familliar with all of the rules, but do we really need to tolerate this kind of behavior? We're not doing this person any favors by encouraging it. Edited by Tony R - June 19 2006 at 13:01 |
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Raff
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24429 |
Posted: June 18 2006 at 04:54 | |
I noticed his behaviour and I thought about reporting it, then decided against it. However, I don't know whether the Mods can take action on the basis of a PM. In this case, they probably should, because the guy is a self-confessed troll...
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Ricochet
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 27 2005 Location: Nauru Status: Offline Points: 46301 |
Posted: June 18 2006 at 06:29 | |
I'm uncertain as well...my "snotty fan" blood shouts of course to be kicked out...still I guess he is saying his opinion...even though a sharped one...
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chopper
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20029 |
Posted: June 18 2006 at 07:15 | |
Why would someone bother to join a forum about something he doesn't like? If we all did that, we spend our entire lives on forums. He needs to get a life.
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goose
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 20 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4097 |
Posted: June 18 2006 at 07:25 | |
Whatever floats your boat, I guess. It's not my fault I have a cold.
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Ricochet
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 27 2005 Location: Nauru Status: Offline Points: 46301 |
Posted: June 18 2006 at 08:57 | |
Now this is the other extreme I fear...is he not entitled to a negative impression over a musical genre...as long as he doesn't become very agressive about that,he is part of this forum... |
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Raff
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24429 |
Posted: June 18 2006 at 09:35 | |
If you go and have a look at that thread again, you'll find the explanation. It seems that he is a she whose boyfriend (who apparently dumped her) is a forum member. This is her way to get back at him. She thought she was the only female here, but I quickly disabused her of such a notion.
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Ricochet
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 27 2005 Location: Nauru Status: Offline Points: 46301 |
Posted: June 18 2006 at 09:38 | |
Oh....then that explains everything... (1. a boyfriend in love with prog 2. a girlfriend...as usual...detesting the prog 3. a conflict of which is more important 4. a dump in favor of justified pleasant thing in life 5. MAD REVENGE!! ) 6. ) |
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Trickster F.
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 10 2006 Location: Belize Status: Offline Points: 5308 |
Posted: June 18 2006 at 09:39 | |
Hm. Anti-Prog revenge! Mellotron vengeance!
We should film a progressive drama someday.
-- Ivan Edited by ivansfr0st - June 18 2006 at 09:40 |
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Ricochet
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 27 2005 Location: Nauru Status: Offline Points: 46301 |
Posted: June 18 2006 at 09:45 | |
DEAR OPRAH...MY BOYFRIEND DUMPED ME OVER PROG!!! WHAT SHOULD I DO? |
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Raff
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24429 |
Posted: June 18 2006 at 10:02 | |
That's priceless, guys! You really made my day! |
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TheProgtologist
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 23 2005 Location: Baltimore,Md US Status: Offline Points: 27802 |
Posted: June 18 2006 at 10:19 | |
I can't really find any instances where this member broke any forum rules or guidelines.
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crimson thing
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 28 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 848 |
Posted: June 18 2006 at 11:54 | |
Sincerely, that's one really good thing about this forum. You really have to try hard to be banned. Other sites I've been on, people only have to sneeze to be ejected - the mods must be on commission, like traffic wardens......here, the mods even pass the time of day with the (alleged; potential; ) trolls........it's refreshing..............and grown-up.........
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"Every man over forty is a scoundrel." GBS
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bhikkhu
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 06 2006 Location: AČ Michigan Status: Offline Points: 5109 |
Posted: June 18 2006 at 14:00 | |
I'm not really offended, just concerned. If you look at the thread, I guessed what her problem was before she admitted it. I just don't think it is good for her to encourage this kind of unhealthy behavior.
I also have a good talk show idea. How about Jerry Springer, "Prog fans, and the women who love them." |
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chopper
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20029 |
Posted: June 18 2006 at 16:48 | |
He or she is certainly entitled to have a negative view about prog (or anything else). I just wondered why anyone would bother to join a forum about it. |
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Logan
Forum & Site Admin Group Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 35748 |
Posted: June 19 2006 at 12:49 | |
There is a reason why they're called "private messages." Fishing
for a response, to which he took the time to respond, and then
sharing it thusly without his permission is bad netiquette unless he
said you could. The fact that he's made his views pretty
clear publicly does not excuse sharing his PM that merely reiterates
his feelings, unless, of course, you asked if you could share it (but
you have not indicated that you asked first).
I haven't read the PM policy at this site, but sharing "private messages" in any form and making them public in a forum is generally considered abusive except in exceptional circumstances, or if one has the party's permission to do so (which may be true in this case). I have never told anyone what other's have PMed me about unless they made it clear they wanted me to share it (and that includes places where I've been a moderator). Even in the mod forums at the other sites I frequent this is not done (it would be if illegal activity was being discussed though this has never cropped up). What is the policy here on sharing private messages? I've always felt there should be an element of trust there (sometimes one must breach the PM's privacy of course, but not in this case as I see it). Anyway, I don't know that he's been abusive, though his motivations are odd. I find it hard to imagine any real rock fan being so totally dismissive of progressive rock since prog covers such wide territory. I imagine his tastes must be very narrow if he really dislikes all prog -- I imagine he's not very familiar with much of it (and probably not a classic rock fan since a lot of prog is popular amongst classic rock fans). Edited by Logan - June 19 2006 at 12:49 |
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Tony R
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: July 16 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 11979 |
Posted: June 19 2006 at 12:58 | |
He is a she.
Speaking as a forum member I find it incredible that someone thinks they would be allowed to come on a Prog Rock forum and start denigrating Prog Rock. If that aint trolling I dont know what is! This is a Prog Rock Forum designed for lovers of Prog Rock to discuss there favourite music. If you went on a forum that was for fans of Manchester Utd and declared that you hated Man Utd and its fans were all snotty you would be ejected imediately. If this forum was a general music forum then this girl would be within here right,but it isnt. |
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Logan
Forum & Site Admin Group Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 35748 |
Posted: June 19 2006 at 13:18 | |
You're right, actually it is abusive since the intent is not just to
discuss what SHE (apologies for the gender misclassification) dislikes
about prog (healthy debate is good but...), but to denigrate prog
fans... Not only is this misguided, but this is abusive.
Still, obviously we prog fans are in the majority, so there is nothing really threatening about it. It's all rather pathetic, and I do wonder why the chip on the shoulder. If someone came in saying sci-fi sucks at a site I frequent, I wouldn't value that person's opinion... If they publicly stated that sci-fi fans suck (and it wasn't in jest) I would offer a warning. And apologies for what I wrote before if sharing PMs at this site is considered acceptable under such circumstances. Every board has its own way of dealing with things and its the responsibility of the poster to adapt when necessary, or face the consequences -- such as being extinguished. |
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MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21133 |
Posted: June 19 2006 at 13:22 | |
Off-topic comments are generally abusive. Sometimes they work and lead to a constructive discussion ... sometimes they totally destroy a thread (see the Opeth thread with my devastating Jon Bon Jovi/genius theory).
I guess that we could outlaw off topic posts - some forums do that, and it's quite effective. But it takes away much of the fun ... |
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Raff
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24429 |
Posted: June 19 2006 at 13:57 | |
True indeed! I remember a discussion board I used to frequent a couple of years ago (it was not about music, though). At the beginning it was all very friendly and relaxed, then they gradually introduced a very strict form of moderation. Nowadays it resembles a concentration camp. I wonder what kind of fun people can have there! BTW, I've seen very few threads go OT on this forum. On another board that I used to frequent, what the people did was to change the object of the post, when the thread had gone OT. I don't know, though, whether it would work here. |
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