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    Posted: June 18 2006 at 04:51
    I am curious about this one. This member, jj1414, obviously is not a prog fan, and seems to just want to antagonise those that are.

Thread topic, Overrated

I sent a private message, asking why this person would do this, and in her reply she stated she wanted to discuss her dislike of Prog Rock and its "snotty fans".

- Moderator note,please do not post exact copies of PMs.These are Private Messages and should remain private.


   Now, I'm pretty new here, and not that familliar with all of the rules, but do we really need to tolerate this kind of behavior? We're not doing this person any favors by encouraging it.

Edited by Tony R - June 19 2006 at 13:01
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2006 at 04:54
I noticed his behaviour and I thought about reporting it, then decided against it. However, I don't know whether the Mods can take action on the basis of a PM. In this case, they probably should, because the guy is a self-confessed troll...Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2006 at 06:29
I'm uncertain as well...my "snotty fan" blood shouts of course to be kicked out...still I guess he is saying his opinion...even though a sharped one...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2006 at 07:15
Why would someone bother to join a forum about something he doesn't like? If we all did that, we spend our entire lives on forums. He needs to get a life.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2006 at 07:25
Whatever floats your boat, I guess. It's not my fault I have a cold.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2006 at 08:57
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Why would someone bother to join a forum about something he doesn't like?


Now this is the other extreme I fear...is he not entitled to a negative impression over a musical genre...as long as he doesn't become very agressive about that,he is part of this forum...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2006 at 09:35
If you go and have a look at that thread again, you'll find the explanation. It seems that he is a she whose boyfriend (who apparently dumped her) is a forum member. This is her way to get back at him. She thought she was the only female here, but I quickly disabused her of such a notion.Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2006 at 09:38
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

If you go and have a look at that thread again, you'll find the explanation. It seems that he is a she whose boyfriend (who apparently dumped her) is a forum member. This is her way to get back at him. She thought she was the only female here, but I quickly disabused her of such a notion.Wink


Oh....then that explains everything...LOL


(1. a boyfriend in love with prog
2. a girlfriend...as usual...detesting the prog
3. a conflict of which is more important
4. a dump in favor of justified pleasant thing in life Wink
5. MAD REVENGE!! Angry)
6. Dead)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2006 at 09:39
Hm. Lamp Anti-Prog revenge! Mellotron vengeance!
 
We should film a progressive drama someday. LOL
 
 -- Ivan


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2006 at 09:45
Originally posted by ivansfr0st ivansfr0st wrote:

Hm. Lamp Anti-Prog revenge! Mellotron vengeance!
 
We should film a progressive drama someday. LOL
 
 -- Ivan


DEAR OPRAH...MY BOYFRIEND DUMPED ME OVER PROG!!! WHAT SHOULD I DO?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2006 at 10:02
LOLLOLLOL

That's priceless, guys! Thumbs Up You really made my day!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2006 at 10:19
I can't really find any instances where this member broke any forum rules or guidelines.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2006 at 11:54
Sincerely, that's one really good thing about this forum. You really have to try hard to be banned. Other sites I've been on, people only have to sneeze to be ejected - the mods must be on commission, like traffic wardens......here, the mods even pass the time of day with the (alleged; potential; ) trolls........it's refreshing.......Clap.......and grown-up.........
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2006 at 14:00
    I'm not really offended, just concerned. If you look at the thread, I guessed what her problem was before she admitted it. I just don't think it is good for her to encourage this kind of unhealthy behavior.

I also have a good talk show idea. How about Jerry Springer, "Prog fans, and the women who love them."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2006 at 16:48
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Why would someone bother to join a forum about something he doesn't like?


Now this is the other extreme I fear...is he not entitled to a negative impression over a musical genre...as long as he doesn't become very agressive about that,he is part of this forum...

He or she is certainly entitled to have a negative view about prog (or anything else). I just wondered why anyone would bother to join a forum about it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2006 at 12:49
There is a reason why they're called "private messages."  Fishing for a response, to which he took the time to respond,  and then sharing it thusly without his permission is bad netiquette unless he said you could.  The fact that he's made his views pretty  clear publicly does not excuse sharing his PM that merely reiterates his feelings, unless, of course, you asked if you could share it (but you have not indicated that you asked first).

I haven't read the PM policy at this site, but sharing "private messages" in any form and making them public in a forum is generally considered abusive except in exceptional circumstances, or if one has the party's permission to do so (which may be true in this case).  I have never told anyone what other's have PMed me about unless they made it clear they wanted me to share it (and that includes places where I've been a moderator).

Even in the mod forums at the other sites I frequent this is not done (it would be if illegal activity was being discussed though this has never cropped up).

What is the policy here on sharing private messages?  I've always felt there should be an element of trust there (sometimes one must breach the PM's privacy of course, but not in this case as I see it).

Anyway, I don't know that he's been abusive, though his motivations are odd.  I find it hard to imagine any real rock fan being so totally dismissive of progressive rock since prog covers such wide territory.  I imagine his tastes must be very narrow if he really dislikes all prog -- I imagine he's not very familiar with much of it (and probably not a classic rock fan since a lot of prog is popular amongst classic rock fans).


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2006 at 12:58
He is a she.

Speaking as a forum member I find it incredible that someone thinks they would be allowed to come on a Prog Rock forum and start denigrating Prog Rock.
If that aint trolling I dont know what is!
This is a Prog Rock Forum designed for lovers of Prog Rock to discuss there favourite music.
If you went on a forum that was for fans of Manchester Utd and declared that you hated Man Utd and its fans were all snotty you would be ejected imediately. If this forum was a general music forum then this girl would be within here right,but it isnt.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2006 at 13:18
You're right, actually it is abusive since the intent is not just to discuss what SHE (apologies for the gender misclassification) dislikes about prog (healthy debate is good but...), but to denigrate prog fans... Not only is this misguided, but this is abusive.

Still, obviously we prog fans are in the majority, so there is nothing really threatening about it.  It's all rather pathetic, and I do wonder why the chip on the shoulder.

If someone came in saying sci-fi sucks at a site I frequent, I wouldn't value that person's opinion... If they publicly stated that sci-fi fans suck (and it wasn't in jest) I would offer a warning.

And apologies for what I wrote before if sharing PMs at this site is considered acceptable under such circumstances.  Every board has its own way of dealing with things and its the responsibility of the poster to adapt when necessary, or face the consequences -- such as being extinguished.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2006 at 13:22
Off-topic comments are generally abusive. Sometimes they work and lead to a constructive discussion ... sometimes they totally destroy a thread (see the Opeth thread with my devastating Jon Bon Jovi/genius theory).

I guess that we could outlaw off topic posts - some forums do that, and it's quite effective. But it takes away much of the fun ...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2006 at 13:57
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Off-topic comments are generally abusive. Sometimes they work and lead to a constructive discussion ... sometimes they totally destroy a thread (see the Opeth thread with my devastating Jon Bon Jovi/genius theory).

I guess that we could outlaw off topic posts - some forums do that, and it's quite effective. But it takes away much of the fun ...


True indeed! Clap I remember a discussion board I used to frequent a couple of years ago (it was not about music, though). At the beginning it was all very friendly and relaxed, then they gradually introduced a very strict form of moderation. Nowadays it resembles a concentration camp. I wonder what kind of fun people can have there!

BTW, I've seen very few threads go OT on this forum. On another board that I used to frequent, what the people did was to change the object of the post, when the thread had gone OT. I don't know, though, whether it would work here.
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