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AfanSpur
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Topic: Eddie Offord, genius or Bumbling Fool? Posted: May 26 2006 at 23:29 |
Creater of the cool Yes sound of the 70's golden period ? Or did yes survive despite his bong smoking antics?
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TOD KREMER
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Posted: May 26 2006 at 23:42 |
Are you sure these two sentances are mutually exclusive? Drugs probably don't make an Engineer any better, but they may have contributed to "happy accidents" in the studio. I'm sure much mixing experimentation was caused by herbal (and other) experimention (and with positive results).
We will never know how these Yes albums would have sounded without Eddie.
What do you mean by "antics"?
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Teaflax
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Posted: May 27 2006 at 01:00 |
My old hair dresser's mom used to date Eddie. Seriously.
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Masque
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Posted: May 27 2006 at 01:09 |
well I have had some experience with mixing recordings while mixing something else and I can honestly say I am happy with the results. Theres a thing called learned behavior , see the thing is if you learn to do a task straight and get it down pat so its second nature everything works out OK when the herb gets added, its only when you are not that competent straight at doing it problems happen, I would say Eddie was very familiar with his task. Herb can alter perception in a positive way if used with some common sense. (I don`t smoke herb anymore BTW) but I have no problems if I find an artist or engineer I like is under the influence so long as the results of the project are good/great. I believe in Eddie`s case the results were great so whats the issue ?
Edited by Masque - May 27 2006 at 01:15
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Teaflax
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Posted: May 27 2006 at 01:25 |
And Eddie did good work with 311 on their listenable first two albums,
which seem to have been recorded in a blue haze of weed smoke.
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OT Räihälä
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Posted: May 27 2006 at 04:12 |
All that I can say is Eddie didn't obviously impose his thoughts too
much on Yes, because he engineered also other bands, like ELP, and they
don't sound the least same.
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el böthy
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Posted: May 27 2006 at 13:09 |
I wish Eddie would still produce or engerier Yes...they sounded so good in the ´70...but then Going for the one, which is still an amazing album...but it does sound "less" perfect...
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Teaflax
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Posted: May 27 2006 at 13:16 |
Come to think of it, he did do a pretty good job on Pallas' The Sentinel, too.
That albums is one of my guilty pleasures. I really don't think it's all that great, but man do I love listening to it.
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richardh
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Posted: May 27 2006 at 18:01 |
Offord engineered ELP's 'Pictures At An Exhibition' which says much in his favour.(he actually did the first 4 ELP albums up to Trilogy)
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RoyalJelly
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Posted: May 27 2006 at 21:08 |
A ridiculous question, as Eddie Offord not only produced several of THE classic progressive rock albums of the 70s, he also produced John McLaughlin's classic jazz debut "Extrapolation". It sounds like the questioner is presuming a lot...first that Offord was under the influence, which is pure speculation, secondly, that being so necessarily impairs the ability to do it well. Phil Spector is widely considered one of the greatest producers in the history of rock, and look at where he ended up...
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bamba
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Posted: May 27 2006 at 21:24 |
Eddie Offord not a genuis but surley he engineered some prog classic albums quite good
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Posted: May 27 2006 at 22:24 |
I think his work testifies to his ability...
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Posted: June 01 2006 at 07:18 |
Eddie Offord and another Ediie, Kramer are IMO two best producers in prog and prog related music despite their sexual orientation and drugs.
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Teaflax
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Posted: June 01 2006 at 07:53 |
Sexual orientation? How does that enter into it? What sexual proclivities or preferences could possibly affect your abilities as a producer?
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pero
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Posted: June 01 2006 at 08:07 |
Teaflax wrote:
Sexual orientation? How does that enter into it? What sexual proclivities or preferences could possibly affect your abilities as a producer? |
None. That's what I'm trying to say.
Except if you want to produce only: Boy George, Simply red, Frenky goes to Hollywood, Milli Vanilli, or Freddie Mercury solo projects. OK?
Edited by pero - June 01 2006 at 08:10
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Posted: June 01 2006 at 08:12 |
pero wrote:
Teaflax wrote:
Sexual orientation? How does that enter into it? What sexual proclivities or preferences could possibly affect your abilities as a producer? |
None. That's what I'm trying to say.
Except if you want to produce only: Boy George, Simply red, Frenky goes to Hollywood, Milli Vanilli, or Freddie Mercury solo projects. OK? |
Sorry, I don't understand your point.
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pero
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Posted: June 01 2006 at 08:19 |
What I meant was that the producer's sexual orientation shouldn't affect his work.
This part "Except if you want to produce only: Boy George, Simply red, Franky goes to Hollywood, Milli Vanilli, or Freddie Mercury solo projects"
is a joke.
You should understand one, because your posts content a lot of black humor.
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Chicapah
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Posted: June 01 2006 at 08:38 |
If there was a hall of fame for producers Eddie Offord would already be in it.
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The Wizard
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Posted: June 01 2006 at 09:20 |
His bong smoking antics added to Yes's psychedelic sound. As I have said before, I think of Yes as a very psychedelic symphonic rock band. Any from The Debut to Tormato is like some heavenly voyage to outer space.
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Teaflax
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Posted: June 01 2006 at 12:29 |
pero wrote:
None. That's what I'm trying to say. |
Except it's not what you're saying. If you say "despite", it implies
that sexual orientation could possibly be a factor, but isn't in this
particular case - almost as if it was an exception.
If someone says, "She's a good guitarist, despite being a girl", it
clearly implies that person thinks that being a girl would be an impediment to being a good
guitarist - and pretty much proves the person a chauvinist. So tell me
from there what your comment says about you, if - as the below suggests
- you are implying that homosexuality should negatively affect
production skills.
pero wrote:
Except if you want to produce only: Boy George, Simply red, Frenky
goes to Hollywood, Milli Vanilli, or Freddie Mercury solo projects. OK?
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If that's supposed to be a gay joke, it fails on both levels;
by virtue of not being funny, and by including artists that are
definitely not homosexual.
Second of all, why would whether you are gay or not affect whether you work well (or want to work with) acts that are gay?
Edited by Teaflax - June 02 2006 at 04:46
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