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Points: 7341 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2006 at 09:17
The only Rio I know is Zappa, The Residents, a Captain Beefheart. They're all great and I didn't have much trouble getting into there music. I'm thinking about looking further into the scene at some of Mike Pattons groups.
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Absolute Zero - I have their album Crashing Icons which is a crazy musical journey, and I like it a lot.
Does anyone know if they are still active, cause their site isn't telling much and it has been about 5-6 years since that first release?
 
 
AZ are indeed still active. Considering that they've been together in some form or another since the late 70's, I believe, yet only have the one studio album under their belt I think a good deal of patience is required, here. From what I've gleaned off other websites (their homepage is dormant, alas) a new release is imminent, and should take the form of a DVD containing 100% new studio material. I'm assuming the visual content will be mostly animation as it's a STUDIO DVD rather than a live one, but who can say? All I know for certain is that AZ ain't dead and whatever they do next it's bound to be the most crucial avant-garde release of the year (whichever year it finally is).
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Points: 12625 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2006 at 01:26

Thanks Chris.

I also want to mention Ahvak (dust) from Israel which released a self titled album in 2004 with Dave Kerman. High standard recording with complex compositions not too far apart from other groups in that genre, but this does not diminish from the end result, which is a delight to RIO fans.

Another one I like, although I expect them to get better is the French Nebelnest, who released two albums, of which I have the 2nd one called - Nova Express. Oddly enough it is here under Symphonic prog (a mistake soon to be corrected). There are clear influences from Univers Zero here, but it is no clone. They excel at taking a center musical idea and going a bit wild with it in a mix of jam/improvisation and calculated composition. I like this veyr much, but I still think it lacks something hard to describe to really get me going. The musicianship is very good and it is a recommended album.



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Sonic Geology is an excellent album, although obviously the music developed and the line up changed between those early recordings and Pterophonics/Iridium Controversy. In my opinion Sonic Geology is probably the most accessible and engaging BOTM CD, although not as fully realised as some of their later albums.
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Points: 12625 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2006 at 01:36

Two questoins/remarks:

Absolute Zero - I have their album Crashing Icons which is a crazy musical journey, and I like it a lot.
Does anyone know if they are still active, cause their site isn't telling much and it has been about 5-6 years since that first release?
 
Another band - BIRDSONGS OF THE MESOZOIC .
I have Petrophonics  and The Iridium Controversy Which I think are very good.
What do you think of Sonic Geology? Is it different than these two mentioned above?  What other albums do you recommend me getting?
 
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Don't give up on Taal, Aaron, just to remind you.  You're missing out on two excellent albums.
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thanks, maybe i'll grab both
 
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going to pick up a Art Zoyd album soon, which one do you recommend?
 
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"Phase IV" is my favourite one out of 8 albums of theirs that I have.
 
 
how is  Les Espaces Inquiets, I really like that Ceremonie song
 
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It's very good one and can be treated as direct continuation of Phase IV.
 
Generally they are all not bad except for their latest - it's only noise - could not understand the point of it at all. Also Faust got it's great moments but there are many very dull parts. Otherwise both part of Marathonnerre, Generation Sans Futur, Musique Pour L'Odyssee, and Symphonie Pour Le Jour Ou Bruleront Les Cites are all very good.
 
And I have not heard Berlin and Mariage of Heaven and Hell (free translation from French as far as I can remember).
 
 
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Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

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going to pick up a Art Zoyd album soon, which one do you recommend?
 
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"Phase IV" is my favourite one out of 8 albums of theirs that I have.
 
 
how is  Les Espaces Inquiets, I really like that Ceremonie song
 
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boy that stuff will clear the women out of the room!

 

ever listen to Material's Memory Serves? Fred Firth, Bill Laswell, etc one of the better progressive avant garde albums that I have heard, from the early 80's.
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Originally posted by Aaron Aaron wrote:

going to pick up a Art Zoyd album soon, which one do you recommend?
 
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"Phase IV" is my favourite one out of 8 albums of theirs that I have.
 
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going to pick up a Art Zoyd album soon, which one do you recommend?
 
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Hamster has no bio and only one review (by RoyalJelly ) giving it 5 stars.
Sardines has a short bio, one review for Mare Crisium and two for Zucchini.
Myrbein has a bio (by Lise) and a short review.
Ramlosa has no bio and no review (only rating).

So, what do people who know any of them think? They don't have many albums (Myrbein and Ramlosa have only 1 album), but is it worth hunting?



Ramlosa Kvallar means "Music Without Frames" and was a 70s band with Lars Hollmer. But they are really more about exploring Swedish folk themes in a rock context; something many RIO bands of the time did, but of tangential interest to an avant-prog collector.

I think the other bands were addressed.


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No no, I  really like Univers Zero, especially 1313, and I expect to get their third album sometime soon.  It's just hard to listen to their albums sometimes.  I think the first track on Heresie is a little too long, and seeing as I always listen to album in full from beginning to end, that song stretches my patience and I usually give up on it.  Trust me, I like dark music, but Heresie is about as dark as you can get.

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Ah! I misunderstood. Yeah, you should definitely go for the other UZ albums then, none of them are quite as dark as Heresie. That one's my favorite actually, but Ceux du Dehors and Uzed are also absolutely awesome. Their newer stuff (since their reunion in 1999) is actually way less dark - the new live album has a good overview of that material. It's very good, quite different stylistically from the Heresie days but still good.

If you want the *really* dark stuff check out Present and Shub Niggurath

yes john zorn's naked city is his main album( and he is preety avantprog)
    
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Points: 944 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 26 2006 at 14:32

    well RIO\Avant is my one of my fav progrock styles.
strangley I have a good contact with that styles.
here some good RIO bands that I love:Thinking Plague,taal,henry cow,VDGG(can I call them Avantprog?),john zorn,present,univers zero...
I dont know why but I dont love Frank zappa, what can I do???
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Aaron, you won't get the full feel of Taal from the sample tracks, you need to hear the two albums in their entirety, as they vary quite from track-to-track.  Both albums also have a loose concept behind them.

Thanks Trouserpress, I'll see what I can do with obtaining some SMM.  I am quite interested in hearing Shub-Niggurath and Present too, because I like dark music.

Yes, it was samples of tracks from Flying Food Circus I believe.  Sounded good from what I can remember.
 
TAAL Clap Clap Clap - 100 pct agree with above - should be listened to from beginning to end and then again and again, and then you hooked.
 
Shub-Niggurath - never heard but it's just included in my list to look for.
 
Flying food circus - I like it very much, but IMO it is not as quirky as SMM or say Ensemble Nimbus.
 
Can recommend Ensemble Nimbus "Scapegoat" + "Garmonbozia" - also with Bruniusson on with Hakan Almkvist at the wheel and Kirk Chilton on violin - great band.
 
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Aaron, you won't get the full feel of Taal from the sample tracks, you need to hear the two albums in their entirety, as they vary quite from track-to-track.  Both albums also have a loose concept behind them.

Thanks Trouserpress, I'll see what I can do with obtaining some SMM.  I am quite interested in hearing Shub-Niggurath and Present too, because I like dark music.

Yes, it was samples of tracks from Flying Food Circus I believe.  Sounded good from what I can remember.
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Originally posted by Aaron Aaron wrote:


No no, I  really like Univers Zero, especially 1313, and I expect to get their third album sometime soon.  It's just hard to listen to their albums sometimes.  I think the first track on Heresie is a little too long, and seeing as I always listen to album in full from beginning to end, that song stretches my patience and I usually give up on it.  Trust me, I like dark music, but Heresie is about as dark as you can get.

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Ah! I misunderstood. Yeah, you should definitely go for the other UZ albums then, none of them are quite as dark as Heresie. That one's my favorite actually, but Ceux du Dehors and Uzed are also absolutely awesome. Their newer stuff (since their reunion in 1999) is actually way less dark - the new live album has a good overview of that material. It's very good, quite different stylistically from the Heresie days but still good.

If you want the *really* dark stuff check out Present and Shub Niggurath
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Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Originally posted by Alucard Alucard wrote:

Dear Dr. TP,

every time I put a Henry Cow CD on, my girlfriend throws sharp objects at me.I am so desperate. Could you please tell me  what to do?

yours truly
Alucard
 
PS: The Canterbury team is  adding some lesser known  bands. Do you know the French Band 'Anaïd', and when yes would you file them under Canterbury or RIO?
 
I too have noticed this puzzling phenomenon whenever I play my girlfriend Thinking Plague or Absolute Zero. I suggest you make sure any heavy, sharp or in any way weapon-like objects are removed from the surrounding area and placed in a secure environment before sticking on the Cow next time.
 
Thanx so much TP, I just double-locked my electric chainsaw.Wink
 
BTW you didn't answer my PS.Cry
 
 Does anyone know the French Band 'Anaïd'? Canterbury or RIO?
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Explain the meaning of this song and share it"

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Originally posted by progreviews progreviews wrote:

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John Zorn - meh, i feel like some of these guys are missing the original idea behind RIO and rehashing the same sh*t over and over again



heh. Zorn has absolutely nothing to do with RIO (aside from collaborating with Fred Frith once in a while). I guess Naked City (one of the PA tracks) could have some similarity to stuff like Ruins. But Masada? How exactly does Ornette Coleman-style avant-jazz gone Jewish rehash RIO?

Cool that you liked Art Zoyd so much, kind of surprising since they're sort of like Univers Zero who you didn't seem to like (and they're just as dark). Nazca, Decibel, etc etc are worth checking out if you like this style.
 
No no, I  really like Univers Zero, especially 1313, and I expect to get their third album sometime soon.  It's just hard to listen to their albums sometimes.  I think the first track on Heresie is a little too long, and seeing as I always listen to album in full from beginning to end, that song stretches my patience and I usually give up on it.  Trust me, I like dark music, but Heresie is about as dark as you can get.
 
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