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necromancing777 
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 Topic: Iron Maiden=Prog Metal?
Posted: April 03 2006 at 00:01 |
I know some say Maiden is "power metal". But just listen to Steve Harris' basslines; you know he loves Chris Squire (Yes) all the way! If PA considers Queensryche prog-metal, then Iron Maiden need to be let into the club too (just listen to "Seventh Son of a Seventh Son" and "Rime of the Ancient Marnier"). 
BTW, Iron Maiden considered James LaBrie of Dream Theater to replace Bruce Dickinson in 1994.
Any takers?
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"Your progressive hypocrites hand out their trash,
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Rising Force
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Posted: April 03 2006 at 00:04 |
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It's been argued but the prog metal team of approval or whatever says no.
I think they are without question prog RELATED and maybe even proto-prog metal. I still stand by it whether they are included on this site or not.
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Zitro
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Posted: April 03 2006 at 00:08 |
I don't think bass lines make prog.
I can listen to awesome bass lines from Led Zeppelin and The Who but they are not prog at all.
I think Iron Maiden is even less proggy than other classical metal like Stratovarius. I don't see the prog at all apart from their classical influences and some extended song lengths.
Excellent band and great musicians though I can listen to the Trooper everyday 
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: April 03 2006 at 00:09 |
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I love Maiden,was listening to their debut when it came out and no one had ever heard of them.I think with the introduction of the prog related and proto prog categories they could be included.It has been argued about in the forums over and over again.
They were considered,voted on and rejected by a narrow margin.
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helofloki
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Posted: April 03 2006 at 00:11 |
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yay maybe Prot-progmetal, considering they were a huge influence on Fates Warning and Queensryche. However, not really prog. Sure there's some real good bass work, but as awsome as Maiden is, they never change style. Ever. What's awsome, is they've managed to stay a great band and their music (even on their last album) is still interesting, even if they do stay within the style that they've always played in. That's maiden. Great band, but to be prog you need to step outside the comfort zone somehow.
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Rising Force
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Posted: April 03 2006 at 00:17 |
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I just want to know how they were denied for prog related status. HOW??!?! It's like a fact they are.
And in the 80s they did a hell of a lot of experimenting with their sound... just listen from the debut to Seventh Son (the debut and Somewhere in Time had the biggest difference in sound IMO).
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Hierophant
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Posted: April 03 2006 at 00:38 |
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How? Why? What is your reasoning behind this? "i think the bassist
listened to yes" isn't going to cut it for me. Last time i checked the
band revolved around riff#1 x 4 riff #2 x 4 riff #1 x 4...solo....
riff#2 riff#1 style song structure
Another thing I disagree with is just because a band is influenced or
even directly influenced a prog band dosn't mean they are prog... or
prog related... or proto-prog... *sigh*
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: April 03 2006 at 00:41 |
 Rising Force wrote:
I just want to know how they were denied for prog related status. HOW??!?! It's like a fact they are.
And in the 80s they did a hell of a lot of experimenting with their sound... just listen from the debut to Seventh Son (the debut and Somewhere in Time had the biggest difference in sound IMO).
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Back before we formed the Prog Metal team,all possible additions were voted on by all the collaborators.Iron Maiden came up for a vote during this period. Now the prog metal team is in charge of all prog metal additions,and the voting is done by us only.
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mithrandir
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Posted: April 03 2006 at 01:17 |
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not prog metal, and definitely NOT power metal,
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Rising Force
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Posted: April 03 2006 at 01:37 |
mithrandir wrote:
not prog metal, and definitely NOT power metal, |
But related to both. Hierophant: Maiden had an influence on the prog metal giants, Dream Theater... and also Queensryche, if they are prog... and Symphony X... maybe Kamelot... and probably other prog metal bands. Bruce Dickinson did do a song with Ayreon and has sang with Dream Theater live. Surely having an influence on some of the biggest prog metal bands would make them prog related. And Maiden did touch prog at times with such songs as Phantom of the Opera and Alexander the Great and the albums Somewhere in Time and Seventh Son of a Seventh Son. Most of their non epic songs follow the standard formulas (I dunno... I thought Deja Vu and Gengis Khan are kinda proggy) but most of their epics do have prog elements (time and tempo changes, synths). And they haven't really experimented much since the 90s but in the 80s they did experiment with their sound a bit (or maybe a lot if you compare the debut to Somewhere in Time) which counts if bands can be included for certain time periods. TheProgtologist: Oh I see, that makes sense. Personally, I kind of don't want to see Maiden on this site either but I think they fit in the category of prog related.
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SunshineCircus
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Posted: April 03 2006 at 02:22 |
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I've kicked this one around for a while myself.
I think a big part of being a prog band is melody. Iron Maiden, in the mess that is metal, features some of the most brilliantly put together guitar meldody lines of any band out their. Dave Murray certainly has the melodic ability of say a fripp or a howe does he not? Yes their music is a bit formulated, but in the long run it's nice to have a band with a consistent sound. I think they stand up well in the Prog theater.
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int_2375
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Posted: April 03 2006 at 02:46 |
Ok I am going to have to raise this question: what the hell is so progressive about Queensryche? Because they have concept albums or something?
I don't consider Iron Maiden all that progressive (although Seventh Son of a Seventh Son fits the bill), but I'm at a loss as to why some of these other "progressive" metal bands are on here... Nightwish?! People on a "prog metal team" actually voted them in?
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Posted: April 03 2006 at 06:16 |
necromancing777 wrote:
I know some say Maiden is "power metal". But just listen to Steve Harris' basslines; you know he loves Chris Squire (Yes) all the way! If PA considers Queensryche prog-metal, then Iron Maiden need to be let into the club too (just listen to "Seventh Son of a Seventh Son" and "Rime of the Ancient Marnier").
BTW, Iron Maiden considered James LaBrie of Dream Theater to replace Bruce Dickinson in 1994.
Any takers?
Yes also Whitesnake could squeeze also  
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: April 03 2006 at 07:09 |
int_2375 wrote:
Ok I am going to have to raise this question: what the hell is so progressive about Queensryche? Because they have concept albums or something?
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They are not a particularly progressive band, although their early albums before Operation: Mindcrime are reasonably complex. But they have always been considered to be one of the "founding fathers" of the prog metal style, along with Fates Warning.
int_2375 wrote:
I don't consider Iron Maiden all that progressive (although Seventh Son of a Seventh Son fits the bill), but I'm at a loss as to why some of these other "progressive" metal bands are on here... Nightwish?! People on a "prog metal team" actually voted them in?
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Nightwish were here long before it was even considered to introduce genre teams. If they were suggested today, I doubt that the prog metal team would let them in.
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Norbert
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Posted: April 03 2006 at 07:15 |
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Nightwish were here long before it was even considered to introduce genre teams. If they were suggested today, I doubt that the prog metal team would let them in.
[/QUOTE wrote:
Katatonia used to be here and then deleted.
Brainstorm was also deleted.
The inclusion of Brainstorm was probably an accident but Katatonia is not less prog |
Katatonia used to be here and then deleted.
Brainstorm was also deleted.
The inclusion of Brainstorm was probably an accident but Katatonia is not less prog than Nightwish.
They are surely less commercial.
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necromancing777
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Posted: April 03 2006 at 11:01 |
int_2375 wrote:
Ok I am going to have to raise this question: what the hell is so progressive about Queensryche? Because they have concept albums or something?
I don't consider Iron Maiden all that progressive (although Seventh Son of a Seventh Son fits the bill), but I'm at a loss as to why some of these other "progressive" metal bands are on here... Nightwish?! People on a "prog metal team" actually voted them in?
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I suggest a new vote on Iron Maiden to gain entry under "prot-prog metal" or "prog-related". With the passing of time and the influx of new members, perhaps the close vote from before would now go in Maiden's favor?
Motion for a new vote on Iron Maiden.
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"Your progressive hypocrites hand out their trash,
But it was mine in the first place, so I'll burn it to ash."
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: April 03 2006 at 11:07 |
necromancing777 wrote:
int_2375 wrote:
Ok I am going to have to raise this question: what the hell is so progressive about Queensryche? Because they have concept albums or something?
I don't consider Iron Maiden all that progressive (although Seventh Son of a Seventh Son fits the bill), but I'm at a loss as to why some of these other "progressive" metal bands are on here... Nightwish?! People on a "prog metal team" actually voted them in?
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I suggest a new vote on Iron Maiden to gain entry under "prot-prog metal" or "prog-related". With the passing of time and the influx of new members, perhaps the close vote from before would now go in Maiden's favor?
Motion for a new vote on Iron Maiden. |
Look at our chart,the prog metal team has already rejected Black Sabbath,Megadeth and Metallica(all under prog related).
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Crimsoner
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Posted: April 03 2006 at 11:34 |
Absolutely nup... 
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el böthy
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Posted: April 03 2006 at 14:00 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
necromancing777 wrote:
int_2375 wrote:
Ok I am going to have to raise this question: what the hell is so progressive about Queensryche? Because they have concept albums or something?
I don't consider Iron Maiden all that progressive (although Seventh Son of a Seventh Son fits the bill), but I'm at a loss as to why some of these other "progressive" metal bands are on here... Nightwish?! People on a "prog metal team" actually voted them in?
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I suggest a new vote on Iron Maiden to gain entry under "prot-prog metal" or "prog-related". With the passing of time and the influx of new members, perhaps the close vote from before would now go in Maiden's favor?
Motion for a new vote on Iron Maiden. |
Look at our chart,the prog metal team has already rejected Black Sabbath,Megadeth and Metallica(all under prog related).
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And I think they did a good job there!!!
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yeppp
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Posted: April 04 2006 at 07:55 |
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hahhaha Iron Maiden prog ?? are you guys crazy ??
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