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Points: 1864 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:25
Originally posted by Rashikal Rashikal wrote:

well, on deloused, the breakdown part of "take the veil" sounds exactly like Robert Frippwork



I've heard Buckethead, Larry of Primus, and countless other guitarists use the same type of atonal lines.

So what?

If you're saying The Mars Volta is a "ripoff", simply because they have easily recognizable influences, I guess that makes about half the bands on this site ripoffs.
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Points: 546 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:26
no the exact notes played

listen to it

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Points: 1864 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:31
I don't have it here.

Even if it is note for note, so what?

I look at that as a "tip of the hat" to their influences. Does it immediately invalidate the rest of the album?


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Points: 546 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:31
yes

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Points: 1864 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:33
OK, throw out all of your Zeppelin, Cream, etc. albums then.

Lots of them "quote" traditional blues songs.

Note for note.
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Points: 4097 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:36
I'm positive that King Crimson used exactly the same note, in the same register that Mozart wrote once. What scoundrels!
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Points: 1864 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:43
^ You beat me to it! 
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Points: 546 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:45
the mars volta are a bunch of punks who dont know theory jumping around and using too much ambience and fake frippertronics

listen to Hella
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Points: 1864 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:47
Good rejoinder.
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Originally posted by Rashikal Rashikal wrote:

the mars volta are a bunch of punks who dont know theory jumping around and using too much ambience and fake frippertronics

You know, you're not helping this thread in any way possible. :-|
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Points: 2373 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:55

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=16884& amp;KW=Rashikal

Something to jog your memory, Rashikal. Re-read your posts from this thread, especially the fourth one.

If you're being honest now, then that's quite a U-turn you've done within the last month or so. Such drastic changes in opinion may be a good show, drama and all, but they're unhealthy IMO.    
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stalker!

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 will a self-imposed one post distance restraining order help you regain inner balance, Rashikal?
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30 days is a long time to change one's mind.

omar has admitted himself he doesnt know how to play. a word for word quote is: "sometimes when i solo i dont really know what im doing, i just put my hands in cool-looking positions"

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Pink Floyd and The Mars Volta are my fav bands.
If you like TMV, give a try to At The Drive-In (pre-TMV) or Omar Rodriguez-Lopez new album, excellent one , and some guys says that Hot Hot Heats sounds similar to TMV...not so much but good band anyway

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Originally posted by Rashikal Rashikal wrote:

well, on deloused, the breakdown part of "take the veil" sounds exactly like Robert Frippwork



It doesn't like Fripp works first and the guitars from Mars volta are much more influenced by Mahavishnu Orchestra without sounding like them!!
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Originally posted by Rashikal Rashikal wrote:

30 days is a long time to change one's mind.

omar has admitted himself he doesnt know how to play. a word for word quote is: "sometimes when i solo i dont really know what im doing, i just put my hands in cool-looking positions"


If you think Syd Barrett never took that approach, you're fooling yourself.
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have you heard the two songs?

listen to Hella
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Points: 546 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 16:16
syd barrett had other redeeming qualaties

as in he wasnt some bisexual punk

he was an asexual drug addict recluse

thats much better

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Points: 2373 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 16:18

Originally posted by Rashikal Rashikal wrote:

30 days is a long time to change one's mind.

omar has admitted himself he doesnt know how to play. a word for word quote is: "sometimes when i solo i dont really know what im doing, i just put my hands in cool-looking positions"

30 days from saying that you love TMV to throwing it into the trashcan together with DT? Weren't you just trying to make a spectacular entrance for your Magma/Can topic? 

Omar's quote... whatever. I kinda suspected TMV were winging it at least somewhat, and it doesn't change my opinion of them... they're a wonderful catastrophe, with the emphasis definitely on the word 'wonderful' here. Freaking great band, despite, or maybe even because of their flaws to a certain extent.

 

 
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