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    Posted: March 27 2006 at 08:25

Maybe his boyfriend should be thanking him

For the way he makes it sprinke into drops of golden rain....

LMAO has anybody here listened to something funnier than "He's so gay"????

And watch it live!!!! It's just fascinating!

I can't remember the name of the guy at the synths who also played saxo but he is a genius!!!

Never seen someone acting so well while singing and playing! (and moreover he looked really queer lol)
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Originally posted by White Feather White Feather wrote:

I believe in the interests of longevity in the sense of quality control Zappa would have been better using that "gift" of humor Zappa clearly had in a similar way that Peter Gabriel or Ian Anderson used theirs, perhaps try and incorporate into the flow of the music a little better and not "risk" some people thinking "what have we got here ...


Much of Zappa's humour (especially the later albums/tours) will date and mean little to generations to come, because as far as Zappa's humour is concerned, he was first and foremost a satirist; the cultural/political/religious icons he savaged with such glee become 'old news' very quickly these days - how many people understand the references to Jesse Jackson in "Rhymin' Man" for example?

Sometimes you just have to go along for the ride with Zappa's humour and enjoy the jokes/comments/Woody Woodpecker sound-effects (whilst not necessarily understanding them) - Yes, humour does belong in music, but that cannot detract from the huge body of "serious" work the man left us in the far too short 51 years he was with us.

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Humor?Why not?
Just to mention "Paris is Burning" by PALLAS(oops...it wasn't fun just few days ago ),"Harold the Burrel" by GENESIS and funny BEATLES and QUEEN songs
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Yes humor belongs in music!!!

I really love Bob Dylan imitation on "Flakes" 

For every truth even the contrary is true...
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Zappa's DVD "Does Humor Belong In music" was the first thing I heard from him...

and I immediately liked it a lot! I like the lyrics, it's too extreme to not be funny!

And the music is great great great!

Of course humor belongs in music, just see Queen in their early days, ELP...very salacious sometimes!
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I believe that humor does believe in music...though, I don't really care for or "get" Zappa's humor I still think he was a great musician.
His humor and style is growing on me, though.
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Quote Zappa, Does humor belong in music ???


well, Zappa himself shows that it does :)

I like his humour, now and then it may be really weird but generally speaking I've always enjoyed his jokes.

BTW, don't forget that he was banned in SNL for his strange sense of humour :) I wish I had seen that particular episode.

Probably, the reason for people's dislikeness of humour in music here is that prog doesn't have humour AT ALL. It's very serious genre.

As a matter of fact I also think that humour is inappropriate for prog, but Zappa is Zappa, he is genius and he could everything :)
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Points: 8238 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 11:37
Originally posted by Empathy Empathy wrote:

Originally posted by Chicapah Chicapah wrote:

Originally posted by Empathy Empathy wrote:

Working off 5 Prog demerits takes approximately the length of 4 plays of Tales from Topographic Oceans.


Does that mean you're including the first half of The Ancient?  That would be cruel and unusual punishment that goes beyond the boundaries of all that is decent!  For God's sake, have mercy on my poor soul. 



Keep it up, and you'll force me to escalate to the extended Krautrock jams.

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Originally posted by Chicapah Chicapah wrote:

Originally posted by Empathy Empathy wrote:

Working off 5 Prog demerits takes approximately the length of 4 plays of Tales from Topographic Oceans.


Does that mean you're including the first half of The Ancient?  That would be cruel and unusual punishment that goes beyond the boundaries of all that is decent!  For God's sake, have mercy on my poor soul. 



Keep it up, and you'll force me to escalate to the extended Krautrock jams.
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Originally posted by Empathy Empathy wrote:

Working off 5 Prog demerits takes approximately the length of 4 plays of Tales from Topographic Oceans.


Does that mean you're including the first half of The Ancient?  That would be cruel and unusual punishment that goes beyond the boundaries of all that is decent!  For God's sake, have mercy on my poor soul. 

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Points: 582 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 09:58
     I think that not only should humor be banned from music, but from all
areas of life as well...especially from art, and definitely from this website.
OK, people, no more jokes on this forum! Progressive music should only be
appreciated by bespectacled, bearded intellectuals in turtle necks, who
certainly have more important matters on their minds than "Titties 'n Beer".

      

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Working off 5 Prog demerits takes approximately the length of 4 plays of Tales from Topographic Oceans.


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Points: 8238 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 09:42
Originally posted by Empathy Empathy wrote:

Originally posted by Chicapah Chicapah wrote:

I hate to quote Jimmy Buffet in a prog venue but "If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane..."



You just earned yourself 5 Prog Demerits.

Jimmy's right about that, however.

Hey, how long do I have to bust these rocks out here before I've worked off my 5 demerits?  Sheesh!
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Points: 1242 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 07:52

Originally posted by Empathy Empathy wrote:

Many people share your sentiments, and it unfortunately prevents them from enjoying Zappa's brilliance.
I for one find his absurdist, Dada-esque humor to be yet another facet of his genius. Satire and absurdity can be a potent tool to get a point across.

It's also fun to be silly!

For what it's worth, it took me years of steady listening to fully appreciate Zappa. I now believe he is one of the VERY few musicians of 20th century modern music that truly deserves the title "Musical Genius".

 Well said!

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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Jazz/Prog Zappa = Thumbs Up

Humor Zappa = Thumbs Up (most of the time

Doo-Wop Zappa =



I totally concur. I have to skip "Luigi and the Wise Guys" on Man from Utopia everytime I listen to it. Something about that song actually makes me want to hit something
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Originally posted by Bj-1 Bj-1 wrote:

Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Doo-Wop Zappa =

Oh c'mon there's only one real Zappa Doo-Wop album (and it isn't even bad Doo-Wop) is his entire catalogue of 70+ records.



Lumpy Gravy that is?
 

Nope, Cruising With Ruben & The Jets

Yep. And that one is a decent record.

Lumpy Gravy, on the other hand, is arguably his most avant-garde piece next to Civilization Phaze III.
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Points: 71 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2006 at 21:22
I just wonder "if" the level of awareness Zappa seems to behold regarding his satirical evaluations was a little waisted , what I`m saying is the brand of humor Zappa displays is very interesting as well as being pretty funny , but the problem is things are only hilarious the first few times you hear them (Cheech and Chong for example) I believe in the interests of longevity in the sense of quality control Zappa would have been better using that "gift" of humor Zappa clearly had in a similar way that Peter Gabriel or Ian Anderson used theirs, perhaps try and incorporate into the flow of the music a little better and not "risk" some people thinking "what have we got here ... Cheech and Chongs, Earache my Eye ?" .   Then again maybe I just don`t get it
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Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Doo-Wop Zappa =

Oh c'mon there's only one real Zappa Doo-Wop album (and it isn't even bad Doo-Wop) is his entire catalogue of 70+ records.



Lumpy Gravy that is?
 

Nope, Cruising With Ruben & The Jets

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Music is an expression of emotion and why would a great musician like Frank Zappa not write GREAT music just because its not sad or what other people call "emotional". Humor belongs in music as much as any other emotion and i consider frank zappa one of the greatest composers ever

you cant judge music like that.....
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Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Doo-Wop Zappa =

Oh c'mon there's only one real Zappa Doo-Wop album (and it isn't even bad Doo-Wop) is his entire catalogue of 70+ records.

Not for moi. There are a lot of little songs that are just crappy because of the doo-wop. A lot on URWhatUIZ () and Sheik Yerbouti is nonsense because of that, and that's only 2 albums.

Also:

Jazz from Hell =

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