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Direct Link To This Post Topic: Yes/Crimso: Polar opposites
    Posted: March 10 2006 at 19:00
 
  Just an observation:    Yes & King Crimson

  Could any two bands be more oppositely polarized to each other.

 Yes: Life affirming positive themes.
 KC: Dark brooding themes.

 Yes: Songs predominately in major keys.
 KC: Songs predominately in minor keys.

 Yes: Singer with incredible vocal heights.
 KC: Singers with much deeper voices.

 Yes: Keyboards play major role in overall sound.
 KC: Practically no keyboards with exception of mellotron.

 Yes: More focus on intricate vocal harmonies & counterpoint.
 KC: More focus on instrument dynamics.

  Common connections:
  Bill Bruford played in both bands.
  Jon Anderson did sing one song with KC.
  Both are two of the best prog rock bands EVER.

  Any thoughts just for fun?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2006 at 19:04
Yes I think I could agree with that.

But KC and Yes are the same on one point :

They are both amazing!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2006 at 19:07
They are also similar in that they've both had several hundred members over the years
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2006 at 19:21

I think your observation is spot on! I always preferred Crimson to Yes because of their "darkerside". Yes have always felt more upbeat and positive. Rubs a miserable old hermit like me the wrong way.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2006 at 19:32
i love Crimson and strongly dislike Yes and its exactly because of those reasons, i completly agree that their very different
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2006 at 19:35

Originally posted by Bern Bern wrote:

Yes I think I could agree with that.

But KC and Yes are the same on one point :

They are both amazing!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2006 at 20:14
Originally posted by Dr. Occulator Dr. Occulator wrote:

 
 
  Common connections:
  Bill Bruford played in both bands.
  Jon Anderson did sing one song with KC.
  Both are two of the best prog rock bands EVER.

  Any thoughts just for fun?

Also common connection´s:
When Peter Bank´s left (was fired) Yes, Anderson´s first choice was...Robert Fripp! Of course he didn´t accept.
Also, not exacly Yes, but Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman and Howe´s bass player was Tony Levin, who also was and now again is a member of KC!!!

...and I absolutly agree with you. Both are my favorite prog bands...First Crimson then Yes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2006 at 20:28
Yeah, forgot about that Levin connection.

Another difference I noticed is that when members leave KC they tend to remain gone whereas many members left Yes at one time or another an did return again.
Tony Banks, Rick Wakeman, Steve Howe, Chris Squire (if you consider AWBH) and even Jon Anderson.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2006 at 20:47
Originally posted by Witchwoodhermit Witchwoodhermit wrote:

I think your observation is spot on! I always preferred Crimson to Yes because of their "darkerside". Yes have always felt more upbeat and positive. Rubs a miserable old hermit like me the wrong way.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2006 at 20:51

Originally posted by Dr. Occulator Dr. Occulator wrote:

 

 Yes: Songs predominately in major keys.
 KC: Songs predominately in minor keys.

 Yes: Singer with incredible vocal heights.
 KC: Singers with much deeper voices.

That all changed when Adrian Belew joined.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2006 at 20:55
Originally posted by Dr. Occulator Dr. Occulator wrote:

Yeah, forgot about that Levin connection.

Another difference I noticed is that when members leave KC they tend to remain gone whereas many members left Yes at one time or another an did return again.
Tony Banks, Rick Wakeman, Steve Howe, Chris Squire (if you consider AWBH) and even Jon Anderson.


nice thread/observations...

while not a brooding hermit.. the darkside of K.C. is a nice change at times.... but I share Jon Anderson's affinity for the spritual, and the mystical side of life... plus being a rather happy positive person I relate more to Yes. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2006 at 21:07

YES-Technically brilliant...more emphasis on the song as opposed to the sound!

KING CRIMSON-Very sloppy and irritating at times.....more  emphasis on the sound as opposed to the song!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2006 at 21:14
Nice thread, they do seem like opposite sides of the same prog coin.

Both great at times, both grate at times.

But my preference has always been for KC's Schizoid madness rather than Andersons hippy-dippy peace and love

But Gates of Delirium I've always felt is Yes' best number, and thematically has lots in common with KC.

Just a thought...



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2006 at 21:37
Originally posted by Nipsey88 Nipsey88 wrote:



But my preference has always been for KC's Schizoid madness rather than Andersons hippy-dippy peace and love

But Gates of Delirium I've always felt is Yes' best number, and thematically has lots in common with KC.




  Yeah 'Gates' is pretty dark at times but of course it has the 'hollywood happy ending'.
  For Crimso lightness I think 'Walking On Air' from Thrak ' has a bit of that hippy dreamy
 happy-go-lucky attitude to it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2006 at 21:41
Originally posted by Dr. Occulator Dr. Occulator wrote:

Originally posted by Nipsey88 Nipsey88 wrote:



But my preference has always been for KC's Schizoid madness rather than Andersons hippy-dippy peace and love

But Gates of Delirium I've always felt is Yes' best number, and thematically has lots in common with KC.




  Yeah 'Gates' is pretty dark at times but of course it has the 'hollywood happy ending'.
  For Crimso lightness I think 'Walking On Air' from Thrak ' has a bit of that hippy dreamy
 happy-go-lucky attitude to it.


Yup, you're right. The "Soon" section does bring the insanity of that song back into traditional Yes-land, but in the context of that song, man does it ever work.

Also, love Walking On Air. Belew really brought a sense of levity to KC, and it worked. My fave from that album is easily "Dinosaur". Great tune, and great lyrics with a wink.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2006 at 22:10
Originally posted by Nipsey88 Nipsey88 wrote:

[QUOTE=Dr. Occulator] [QUOTE=Nipsey88]

  "Dinosaur". Great tune, and great lyrics with a wink.


 The mark of a great band; when you're confident enough to make fun of yourself.
 

  Don't think Jon Anderson ever poked fun at himself for having pretentious lyrics.
   I actually think he feels like he's God preaching in 'Awaken', where KC's Court of the
 Crimson King obviously emanates from some lower region of the netherworlds. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2006 at 22:19
Originally posted by Dr. Occulator Dr. Occulator wrote:

Originally posted by Nipsey88 Nipsey88 wrote:

[QUOTE=Dr. Occulator] [QUOTE=Nipsey88]

  "Dinosaur". Great tune, and great lyrics with a wink.


 The mark of a great band; when you're confident enough to make fun of yourself.
 

  Don't think Jon Anderson ever poked fun at himself for having pretentious lyrics.
   I actually think he feels like he's God preaching in 'Awaken', where KC's Court of the
 Crimson King obviously emanates from some lower region of the netherworlds. Wink


Agreed.

The cover of ITCHYCOCK still ranks as the all time greatest cover that represents the music within.

Paranoid, scary, and dare I say it...progressive.

Creepy indeed.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2006 at 01:01

Originally posted by Nipsey88 Nipsey88 wrote:


The cover of ITCHYCOCK still ranks as the all time greatest cover that represents the music within.

ROFLMAOAPMGU at "ITCHYCOCK"
Definitely one of the 10 greatest record sleeves ever produced. 

I really like the sleeve of Lizard too.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2006 at 01:04
okay,they could be considered opposites...so?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2006 at 01:21
Originally posted by Harry Hood Harry Hood wrote:

Originally posted by Dr. Occulator Dr. Occulator wrote:

 

 Yes: Songs predominately in major keys.
 KC: Songs predominately in minor keys.

 Yes: Singer with incredible vocal heights.
 KC: Singers with much deeper voices.

That all changed when Adrian Belew joined.

Predominantly true. But their more recent stuff maintains that opposite effect.

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