Remastering The Beatles |
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chopper
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Topic: Remastering The Beatles Posted: February 27 2006 at 12:49 |
This follows on from my review of the Yellow Submarine songtrack (http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=70307) . The songs on this CD have been either tidied (a mistake in the double tracking of McCartney's vocal at the start of the first verse of "Eleanor Rigby" has been removed), enhanced (the vocals at the beginning of "All you need is love") or altered (Lennon's repetitions in the last verse of "Yellow Submarine" start after the first line instead of the second).
I'm personally not in favour of removing all the glitches and errors from Beatles records as, for me, that's part of their attraction - to what extent do you think The Beatles' (or indeed any other band's) old recordings should be remastered or altered? Edited by chopper |
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oliverstoned
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Posted: February 27 2006 at 12:56 |
Overall, i found that the current Cds version are bad, like for PF. They should give the job to Bob Ludwig.
He's the man! |
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Blacksword
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Posted: February 27 2006 at 12:56 |
I like to hear old recordings as they were. I'm no authority on The Beatles, but my friends father has nost of their albums - original releases on vinyl - he's looked after them well, and they sound fantastic! In fact MY vinyl of Sgt Pepper sounds better IMO than my CD.. |
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PROGMAN
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Posted: February 27 2006 at 12:57 |
remaster it but don't alter anything, just improve the sound, not change any recording!!
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PROGMAN
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Posted: February 27 2006 at 12:57 |
Sometimes Vinyl is better!!
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PROGMAN
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Posted: February 27 2006 at 12:59 |
I wish Ozzy would realise you can't impriove the music by having drums and bass guitars re-recorded, very shameful Ozzy Osbourne!!
AVOID THESE: Blizzard of Ozz (2002 remaster) Diary of a Madman (2002 remaster) just get the original 1980 or remastered 1995 versions!! |
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Dick Heath
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Posted: February 27 2006 at 13:01 |
Weren't the Beatles albums delayed for a long time before being released on CD (cf. advent of commercial CDs) - didn't this have to have Michael Jackson's approval, as owner of the songs' copyright?????? Every one was remastered as far as I remember too?
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Posted: February 27 2006 at 13:01 |
move on chopper god enuff allready with the beatles
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chopper
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Posted: February 27 2006 at 13:05 |
If you're so fed up with Beatles threads, why do you keep reading and posting in them? Anyway, if you read it properly, this was intended to kick off a discussion about remastering any band's old recordings. Edited by chopper |
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lunaticviolist
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Posted: February 27 2006 at 13:18 |
I agree. George Martin was great, and all of the old vinyls sound fine, but the CDs don't sound so good. And the tracklists even have typos (White Album). |
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My recent purchases:
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Duncan
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Posted: February 27 2006 at 13:27 |
God knows what the reasoning is behind this kind of thing. "Uh oh, The Beatles' reputation will be in tatters if consumers, on purchasing this cash-in compilation, are subjected to the same minute imperfections they grew up listening to!" I haven't heard a Beatles CD release with sound I actively object to, though |
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Blacksword
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Posted: February 27 2006 at 14:13 |
Thats a shame he did that. I like the original sound on those Ozzy albums. Tommy Aldridge's drums sound brilliant on 'Diary of a Madman' |
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salmacis
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Posted: February 27 2006 at 15:37 |
Yeah that whole Ozzy debacle is an absolute disgrace....the older versions have sadly been deleted now though I believe, so newer fans will hear those synthetic versions instead. As for The Beatles and remastering? I definitely think the albums need remastering and upgrading, but if there's one thing I hate it's revisionism/remixing when it's not required. If it's not broke, why fix it? |
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soundspectrum
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Posted: February 27 2006 at 15:47 |
holy sh*t...i didnt think it was true.....thats so screwed up. Ozzy....that sucks man.
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PROGMAN
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Posted: February 28 2006 at 05:31 |
Lee Kerslake and Bob Daisley's roles were replaced by Mike Bordin (ex Faith No More) and Rob Trujillo (Metallica). The 2 albums have lost their originality!! |
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oliverstoned
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Posted: February 28 2006 at 06:55 |
Not sometimes, always! |
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RoyalJelly
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Posted: February 28 2006 at 07:19 |
I pretty much hated the Yellow Submarine remixes, I found them too
clean, adapted to 90s production aesthetics, the guitars were suddenly over-effected, smooth and harmless, they'd lost all the edge and bite that the original Beatles really had...Rock music was meant to make people slightly uncomfortable, which doesn't work when you smooth out the hard edges. On the other hand, the remix on Let It Be was sort of an opposite process. Phil Spector had over-produced and watered down the original recordings with schmalzy string arrangements, and the new mix returns them to a rawer, clearer state, which is clearly an improvement. Edited by RoyalJelly |
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PROGMAN
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Posted: February 28 2006 at 07:31 |
The Sound of Vinyl: My view: The drums and bass sound good on vinyl, strong sound!!. Mates View: Oh vinyl is to quiet it's all the sound is in the back!!. CD Remaster: Doesen't always sound original, but a good sound!! good things include no hisses, but watch your back some are rerecorded and tweeked a bit!! |
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oliverstoned
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Posted: February 28 2006 at 08:04 |
Yes analog sound has much more sound matter, weight, low goes lower and tighter, more dynamic, image, more eeverything...and i don't even talk about the highs.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 28 2006 at 08:27 |
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