two more italian prog artists

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Although I am more reserved for your lenghty lists from both Andrea

I'll check in the following week or so with Zappa and Sorrenti

If I find them, than one of you can write the bios and I will create the entry

Andrew has done quite a fine job on the Morgan and JG entries

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One question, though

How do you feel (this is only a probe, not an advanced debate) about the Italian prog genre?

I think we all agree that this means Italian-styled symphonic prog

Discussions have arisen lately about the use of this genre, which makes for doubling up on the symphonic prog genre and create a geographical boundary not used for any other country

Would it upset Italians if the category was merged in Symphonic prog?

Just a probe to see how you would feel about it

I do not think that the artists that I put in my list should be put necessarily on this site (though some of them found a place in other prog-sites)… In the early seventies almost everybody in Italy used to play prog and this genre influenced all the Italian music of the following years and it’s still very popular…  

Some days ago I attended a concert of ROBERTO VECCHIONI (singer-songwriter not supposed to be prog): in the line-up there was Patrizio Fariselli (AREA) that arranged all the songs for the show and during the show played on piano a version of “Luglio, agosto settembre (nero)!... Now, I don’t think that Vecchioni should be included on progarchives, but perhaps his last album live with Patrizio Fariselli could be of some interest for an Area fan…

Other examples? MATIA BAZAR, ALUNNI DEL SOLE, CLAUDIO ROCCHI, MICHELE ZARRILLO, MARIO LAVEZZI, ALBERTO RADIUS, BERNARDO LANZETTI, IVAN GRAZIANI… Probably all these artists are not prog but all of them in their career played prog or were influenced by prog so that some of their albums (certainly not all of them) could be of some interest for a prog lover… Many one-shot Italian prog-bands did albums of less quality and interests than some of the works of the artists in my list… If FORMULA 3 albums are very similar  to LUCIO BATTISTI’s (who wrote, by the way, most of the songs for Formula 3 albums) why we shouldn’t discuss about Lucio Battisti music on this site?  

ALAN SORRENTI is a good example: his albums of the early seventies are usually considered as prog-masterpieces, while all the rest of his career has nothing to do with prog… more or less the same could be said for FRANCO BATTIATO (though already listed in this site)…

Personally I do not care too much if these artists are included in the site or not but if you include them I think you have to include all of their albums and say if the music in those albums is good or not… Dear Andrea Cortese: if you want ALAN SORRENTI to be included in the site get ready to review “Figli delle stelle” and “L.A.&N.Y.”!!!!

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Anyway, there are two more bands that I suggest to consider for inclusion: MOONLIGHT CIRCUS (they’re just the “evolution” of BLACK JESTER) and RADIODERVISH in the folk-prog section…

Bye!

Of course, but probably it would be better start a new thread for this...

Ok for Cocciante but leaving out Alan Sorrenti it's a crime!!

You have to consider that Alan Sorrenti's career is a UNICUM in the italian prog scene of the seventies!

His progressive works (first three albums, 1972, 1973, 1974) are miliar stones of the genre in the development of the genre in Italy! His works are definable "RIO / Avant Prog" and are so strongly progressive as so strongly pop are the next albums he released after a two years break from 1976!

Here we are not speaking about a pop artist who made also (and curiously) a progressive album, but about a PROGRESSIVE ARTIST who, surprisingly, changed his musical behaviour after he reached so high goals (I'm not speak of sellings, obviously!).

For the right development of this site, I ask you and Max to re-consider this unjust choice!

P.S. and what about Riccardo Zappa? Have you heard Celestion or Chatka? Let me know about.

Andrea Cortese wrote: You have to consider that Alan Sorrenti's career is a UNICUM in the italian prog scene of the seventies! His progressive works (first three albums, 1972, 1973, 1974) are miliar stones of the genre in the development of the genre in Italy! His works are definable "RIO / Avant Prog" and are so strongly progressive as so strongly pop are the next albums he released after a two years break from 1976! Here we are not speaking about a pop artist who made also (and curiously) a progressive album, but about a PROGRESSIVE ARTIST who, surprisingly, changed his musical behaviour after he reached so high goals (I'm not speak of sellings, obviously!). For the right development of this site, I ask you and Max to re-consider this unjust choice!

ALAN SORRENTI is not my favourite artist but I have to agree... The early works of Sorrenti were very inluential, he took part to many prog-festivals... He was part of the Italian-prog scene... Differently from Battiato the rest of his career is absolutely to forget... Fortunately he wasn't so prolific!

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Thanks andrea for supporting all the great italian stuff!!

But it's absolutely natural, since you're italian too!!!

Great to know you also have listened to Zappa (Riccardo).

Prog-folk? Yes, this is what I also think, even if his music is not "folkish" at all! This is the main problem with Zappa.

BTW the great role for acoustic instruments (guitars mainly but also mandolin and from the second album percussions) moves me to cathegorize his works under the sub-genre Prog-Folk.

Ghost Rider wrote: Sean Trane wrote: Cociante has some horrible 90's stuff (that is the one I am unfortunately familiar with) and this means that those albums would find themselves in the Archives too, given that the entire discography must be present Sorrenti: The name rings a bell (maybe read in references books), but like Branduardi and Batiatto, I was always guilty of searching groups rather than solo artistes. This was so for years and not just in Italians artistes let's also avoid Zucchero No, please, not Zucchero.... BTW, I saw the above list, and being familiar with all of those names I must say I have my doubts about most of them. I agree on Alan Sorrenti's first two albums being prog - I used to like them quite a lot when they came out (I was not even a teenager, but I already listened to a lot of prog) - but then you would have to include the rest of his production... "Tu sei l'unica donna per me" on PA? God forbid!!! Branduardi, on the other hand, is quite good... but prog? I'm not sure about that. As to the funnily-named band Pooh (which was actually named after Winnie the Pooh), I can only comment with a . Perhaps they had some connection to prog when they started, about 40 years ago, but then they made lots of money playing slushy, sentimental pop music.

By the way... Do you know that Corrado Rustici (Cervello, Nova) produced and arranged some of the best known Zucchero's album like "Blue's" and "Oro incenso e birra"? ... so also Zucchero is in a certain way "prog-related"...

My list was made just to underline the influence of prog in Italian music, I don't think that all this artists should be included in PA, but it could be interesting discuss them in the forum... In 1971-1973 almost everybody in Italy was playing prog: prog was "in fashion" and plenty of prog albums were released... more than the market could absorbe! So many groups disbanded while other bands changed and tried new ways more rentables, like Pooh or Jet/Museo Rosenbach that formed Matia Bazar, or the former guitarist and singer of Semiramis Michele Zarrillo... Personally I don't like Pooh but if they had relesed only "Parsifal" they woud have been in PA... 

Alan Sorrenti was tightly bound to prog mouvement at the beginning of his career ... So his early albums were definitely prog... I can't see what's the problem if also the other ones are included in PA: all we have to do is simply tell that they're awful!!! (like some albums of the eighties of PFM, BMS, New Trolls or Genesis, Yes, etc...)