Yes, an open discussion-how not to do it!

BaldFriede wrote: He makes the mistake of singing these lyrics beautifully, which is plain nonsense, in my opinion. The lyrics have nothing to do with beauty, and the voice should mirror that. That's what I love about Peter Hammill: You don't need to understand a word to understand what he is singing about. He would have sung that line totally differently.

Its no mistake and it is sung perfectly. Please don't make fictitious rules about singing!

Fragile wrote: Right Cert we will have to disagree again those two are average Joes as singers.The Radiohead one is bamboozling I think he is very poor,I guess it has to be your ears after all

I find it bamboozling that anyone could actually like Jon Anderson, as I think he is very poor.

Neither Matt Bellamy or Thom Yorke are "average Joes" as singers - you are so very wrong in underestimating these very talented vocalists.

I've already made you take back almost every "fact" you've presented so far - you're welcome to your opinions, but don't try telling me that what I like isn't good, because to my ears, it is.

I'm not telling you that you can't like Jon Anderson because he's crap - I'm just correcting your misunderstandings on factual matters 

I know what I like and I like what I know.

That's all.

BaldFriede wrote: Recent studies have shown that even perfect pitch can be learned.

That is absolutely not true.

It is something you're born with.

Those studies lie

Snow Dog wrote: BaldFriede wrote: He makes the mistake of singing these lyrics beautifully, which is plain nonsense, in my opinion. The lyrics have nothing to do with beauty, and the voice should mirror that. That's what I love about Peter Hammill: You don't need to understand a word to understand what he is singing about. He would have sung that line totally differently. Its no mistake and it is sung perfectly. Please don't make fictitious rules about singing!

BF isn't making a rule, ficticious or otherwise - but I think she's right.

The tone of voice and choice of melody should express the lyrics to create a reasonable song - otherwise what's the point?

How can anyone sing a song "perfectly"?

horza wrote: Perfect pitch ? How can anyone hear wi their heid up their arse?

Ye gods - a Collaborator making statements like this about another Collaborator on the public forum?

OK, if those are the rules, then I think that w**kers with nothing to say should keep their mouths shut.

Or face a warning.

Easy Livin wrote: Can there be any question that Yes are one of the greatest prog bands ever? The fact that "Close to the edge" is top of our chart is a good pointer. It is of course debatable which band is the greatest, but Yes will always be at or close to the top in any poll.

 We are all guilty of being very subjective but that's what makes the forum Bob, perhaps, we should just say that Uriah Heep were the best 

Baldfriede, of those  you mentioned I would only consider VDGG to be almost on the same level, Crimson are great band but they don't do it for me in the same way.As for only naming but a few of the others, sorry, I have listened and they do noyhing for me.But we all know the other man's meat analogy.

BaldFriede wrote: Fragile wrote: Easy Livin wrote: Can there be any question that Yes are one of the greatest prog bands ever? The fact that "Close to the edge" is top of our chart is a good pointer. It is of course debatable which band is the greatest, but Yes will always be at or close to the top in any poll.  We are all guilty of being very subjective but that's what makes the forum Bob, perhaps, we should just say that Uriah Heep were the best  Baldfriede, of those  you mentioned I would only consider VDGG to be almost on the same level, Crimson are great band but they don't do it for me in the same way.As for only naming but a few of the others, sorry, I have listened and they do noyhing for me.But we all know the other man's meat analogy. My tastes lean towards the eccentric, which is why Yes can never be top for me. They are way too conventional for that.

Fair dos Baldfriede, this beats the hell out of my usual argues with Kiss and Queen loving friends.

Fragile wrote: Certif1ed wrote: Fragile wrote: I'm beginning to think your taste is hanging in the western wind Cert. At first I thought you were trying to make sense now with your latest outburst it is very clear it's your taste buds that are a poor. What outburst? I merely stated my opinions. And I will thank you NOT to insult my tastebuds. Muse are ok for 1 to 2 songs max; *SIGH!!!* In your opinion... the singer is boring and Radiohead are very poor Again, in YOUR opinion, and possibly many others - but PLEASE stop citing this as if it's fact, as it quite blatantly is not.  if those are your singers Cert then you enjoy them. Thank you - I do. But reciprocated facts, Nah, I don't think so our tastes are just different I love the greatest prog band ever and you haven't been blessed with that grace but that's your misfortune.But this has been an interesting little exchange Interesting, as it shows that you cannot appreciate real artistry and like to belittle those of us that can. Hey Cert, I have no intention of belittling your appreciation of bands you like.You like The Muse and Radiohead as much as you like.They are not my cup of tea.

Ah.

My mistake.

As you were...

Certif1ed wrote: Fragile wrote: Right Cert we will have to disagree again those two are average Joes as singers.The Radiohead one is bamboozling I think he is very poor,I guess it has to be your ears after all I find it bamboozling that anyone could actually like Jon Anderson, as I think he is very poor.

Agreed.

But that doesn't diminish the importance of tracks like CttE. After all, the vocals are just one small part of the whole effort.