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If you put them in the era that they started out in they are definitely prog.  Now, they didn't stay that way, but the first few albums definitely had them pushing the prog envelope with extended versions of popular songs and doing more than the standard 3 minute hit formulas.  Don't forget the concert with orchestra they did in the very early 70s.  Once Machine Head came out they waved prog rock goodbye and grabbed early heavy metal by the horns and the rest, as they say, is history.  But they have to be included in the annals of prog rock definitely.
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Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

I'd just like to add to the many voices saying that Peter's hit the nail on the head here. Excellent posts, sir!

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Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

I'd just like to add to the many voices saying that Peter's hit the nail on the head here. Excellent posts, sir!

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Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

I'd just like to add to the many voices saying that Peter's hit the nail on the head here. Excellent posts, sir!

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Has Jon Lord's solo work been added to PA? I'd be much happier to see that here than DP, so seeing as we've got one the other must surely follow?
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Originally posted by ANDREW ANDREW wrote:

DEEP PURPLE is the most famous hard-rock band in the whole world.

In the beginning of their career they released 4 prog albums, thanks to Jon Lord's classical trend.

  1. 1968 - "Shades Of Deep Purple"
  2. 1969 - "The Book Of Taliesyn"
  3. 1969 - "Deep Purple"
  4. 1970 - "Concerto For Group And Orchestra"

I agree. However, I think that the most famous hard rock group is Led Zeppelin.

But the first Deep Purple lineup which released the 4 albums mentioned above, made prog rock - they combined rock with classical music, and that's what the core of progressive rock is.
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I'd just like to add to the many voices saying that Peter's hit the nail on the head here. Excellent posts, sir!

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I'm certainly no expert on Prog (who among us truly is?) - While I will agree that very early DP was more experimental that later releases, I would not classify them as Prog. Way back in the 70's bands like DP, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin & Grand Funk Railroad were considered Heavy Metal.

I saw DP live in 1986 or 87 - excellent show! I've seen Yes, ELP, Jethro Tull, Black Sabbath also. I would classify DP in the same general group with Sabbath, but not Yes, ELP or JT.

Listen to their versions of Kentucy Woman (Neil Diamond) & Hush (Joe South). This is pure rock & roll, admittedly with a twist. They have a way of making good songs great with their interpretations.

But No, they are not Prog.

 
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Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:


Categories work in science and math, but they only very broadly apply in art, I think.


"Prog" is what you decide it is.Smile



Good gorgeous, Peter! How cannot I agree wholeheartedly?
It's just the same as I feel towards all kinds of music...
It's just by chance that the most works I like come from artist that are somehow labeled as "prog"!!!


And I consider Deep Purple progressive, since their sound has always been innovative, their songs are complex (there are traces also on their latest efforts - which are very good IMHO) and they do have high technical skills (ehm...at least Jon Lord does...and also Ian Gillan, David Coverdale and Glenn Hughes when it comes to voice)
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I don't know. ¿Why don't you ask them? I'm sure they will look at you and say: "¿Prog? Man, that label thing is a trick of the music industry. We make music, that's all..."
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Early Deep Purple were most certainly amongst the bands listed as progressive music (not progressive rock), and indeed their early inclusion with other progressive music bands on  EMI's progressive rock label Harvest Records, gives support to this pre-1970 idea of evolving/progressing  rock music. But come In Rock, you have a heavy rock album which didn't related to the growing concepts of what progressive rock was at the time (as Yes, Genesis, Nice/ELP etc. were laying down) and the early 70's prog fans would not have accepted Deep Purple from then on as progressive rock - and term heavy rock or heavy metal was borrowed from the long forgotten band The Heavy Metal Kids. However, there was a a large number of progressive bands  filled the gap between the "bookends" of Deep Purple and ELP. It was clear from seeing DP's In Rock gig at the Royal Albert Hall (1971 or more probably early '72 - memory going), prog fans/heavy rock fans tastes overlapped considerably  - least we weren't skinheads.

However, i reject completely the idea DP are/were proto-prog.
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DEEP PURPLE is the most famous hard-rock band in the whole world.

In the beginning of their career they released 4 prog albums, thanks to Jon Lord's classical trend.

  1. 1968 - "Shades Of Deep Purple"
  2. 1969 - "The Book Of Taliesyn"
  3. 1969 - "Deep Purple"
  4. 1970 - "Concerto For Group And Orchestra"
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I say put them under progressive. The first 3 albums were very prog, also some of the early 70´s stuff. It would be great to discuss their albums instead of always discussing "The big five"

Maybe Led Zeppelin too!
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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

You need to listen to some of their early stuff to realize how prog they were. Also, as my brother, who is 10 years older than I am, pointed out, it is historically correct to list them under "progressive", because in the late 60s and early 70s they were regarded to be one of the most progressive bands by many listeners. Jean's parents (who were hippies in the late 60s and early 70s) are of the same opinion, as I recall from many talks with them.



bravo!!!!  Jon Lord was a classically inspired keyboardist, who was as 'interested' as Emerson in exploring the fusing of classical and rock.  I'd go as far to say that Deep Purple were as instrumental as The Nice in the development of what was to be popularly known as 'prog rock'. 
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In this case had Purple stopped in 1969, nobody would even be discussing whether they were prog, we would all agree to it as probably think of it as Proto-prog to the same extent that The Nice or Vanilla fudge  too.

 

 

The problem resides in the fact that M@X wants the full discographies represented so we must have Machine Head and Bananas also in here.

Again, many of us feel that the first four Rainbow albums (Live album included) holds enough prog to be included (at least in prog-related) but we must go to the mid-80's crap they've done too



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It's absolutely vital in these prog/non-prog discussions to consider the WHOLE discography of an artist If there is one album in that discography which can be considered to be prog (or prog related), then the artist should be included. You should always think on the album level, because it makes absolutely no sense to judge a whole band which has been active for more than 30 years. DP had many different phases, and their style varies from album to album.

Remember that this website is about prog albums, not bands.



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You need to listen to some of their early stuff to realize how prog they were. Also, as my brother, who is 10 years older than I am, pointed out, it is historically correct to list them under "progressive", because in the late 60s and early 70s they were regarded to be one of the most progressive bands by many listeners. Jean's parents (who were hippies in the late 60s and early 70s) are of the same opinion, as I recall from many talks with them.


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Originally posted by Karn Evil 9 Karn Evil 9 wrote:

I'm a huge fan of Deep Purple, but I just cant see how they are prog, or prog related, or anything related with prog. Some people say they started heavy metal as well, but again as far as I can see they are just plain and simple classic rock. The closest thing to prog they had was doing extended jamming and improvisation.

What is your opinion are they prog or not?

They are not prog, but prog related. Some of their songs use many of the elements that are also used in prog rock.
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They were probably semi prog. They weren't hard rock and they weren't rock n roll. They were a classical/jazz influenced rock band, but more on the heavy rock side. But they were cool ;)
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Those four albums listed in the archive can be considered prog, if
your guideline is not so strict. Everybody can agree that they
definetly experimented during that period with mixed outcome, but,
then there is a fine line between being experimental and being prog.
Another matter to consider is quality, whatever that means. They
were not able to achieve the musical quality that was reached by
contemporary, "mainstream" prog band. To summarize their output
in the first 4 or 5 albums, it was moderately successful heavy rock
with a dash of prog. So far I sound quite down on them. However,
Child in time, IMHO, is a prog masterpiece.
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