Beatles Prog?

Yawn, we've been through this so many times that I can't even be bothered to comment.

Except that to call The Beatles "a boys pop band" is the biggest load of nonsense ever.

Lord Qwerty indicates his intense respect for the Beatles and comments on everything they've pioneered and perfected in only 7 years of existence when the prog genre genre has barely scratched the surface of new and inventive music in 37 (!) years of existence. Lord Qwerty therefore proclaims the Beatles the prime archetype and the perfect model for the progressive band. However, Lord Qwerty does not feel that they would be adequately suited to be considered to be a prog band in the 'genre' sense (He would like to spend some time commenting on the idiocy and f**king absurdity of genre-specific prog standards, but reserves his scorn and derision for a different day altogether.) He will however request that the establishment of Prog Archives at least display one of their albums in the proto-prog section,  as a marker of respect for what they have achieved. Otherwise, you will continue to have discussions like this every week and you will forever be plagued with petty arguments over how 'prog' the Beatles are.

The point of PA is to learn about new bands, bands you don't know about, and to discuss bands that aren't discussed anywhere else.

While I happen to think that a lot of the Beatles later work was very proggy, I don't think they should be included here because a) what's to be said about them that hasn't already been said elsewhere and b) does anyone really not know about the Beatles???

There are plenty of sites devoted exclusively to the Beatles. If you feel the need to connect with other Beatlemaniacs, go to one of them and chat your little head off.

As for PA, why can't we just say that the Beatles were proto-proto-prog, incredibly influencial to the genre and to the history of those who invented the genre. But they won't be included here. That's it. Nothing more needs to be said.

Lord Qwerty wrote: Lord Qwerty indicates his intense respect for the Beatles and comments on everything they've pioneered and perfected in only 7 years of existence when the prog genre genre has barely scratched the surface of new and inventive music in 37 (!) years of existence. Lord Qwerty therefore proclaims the Beatles the prime archetype and the perfect model for the progressive band. However, Lord Qwerty does not feel that they would be adequately suited to be considered to be a prog band in the 'genre' sense (He would like to spend some time commenting on the idiocy and f**king absurdity of genre-specific prog standards, but reserves his scorn and derision for a different day altogether.) He will however request that the establishment of Prog Archives at least display one of their albums in the proto-prog section,  as a marker of respect for what they have achieved. Otherwise, you will continue to have discussions like this every week and you will forever be plagued with petty arguments over how 'prog' the Beatles are.

Well said m'Lord.

i have to say that beatles had a very progressive career and a nice niche of progressive albums (The White album is probably my favorite album of all time, and also Abbey Road, Sgt. peppers, Revolver, and to a lesser extent Let It Be). And while this is true in respect I do not consider the Beatles to be what we commonly consider to be a "progressive" band, while I would not object if they were added to the archives. The Beatles were THE milestone in rock in general which includes "progressive" rock, therefore I do think they deserve a spot in "prog-related" if anywhere at all.

Where I stand I wouldn't object if they were added, nor would I object if they weren't.