"Fall" of the great prog-metal bands?

MikeEnRegalia wrote: TheLamb wrote: Scenes from a Memory is the only truly great DT album. The albums before it all have great moments - but that's not enough to make a great album. After Scenes came 6DOIT, which is very "Interesting" but I wouldn't say it's a good album. Train of Thought has Stream of Consciousness which is mind-blowing and In the Name of God which is fairly OK but not outstanding, the rest of Train of Thought is bad. Dream Theater have never sounded more like Metallica ... Their not very good at being "angry" either! Octavarium is bad too, except for the title track which is very good.   I'd definitely say they are on their way down. Stream of Consciousness is my 2nd least favorite song from ToT ... only Honor Thy Father is worse. But they're both solid 3s in terms of the prog archives rating system ...

Honor Thy Father is horrid. Probably one of DT's worst songs ever, if not THE worst one.. Steam of Consciousness though is one of the band's best songs. I can't accept what your saying, I know my opinion is just an opinion, but seriously dude, its Stream of Consciousness! It's GOOD!!! and even if it's not one of the band's "better songs", you must admit it's the best on ToT, Endless Sacrifice and As I Am are not much of compotition, Dying Soul is pretty bad aswel. In the Name of God is the only song that might be considered by some sober people to be better but it's still not that outstanding and SoC IS!

Moatilliatta wrote: aapatsos wrote: Lindsay Lohan wrote: Dream theater is better than ever! I mean just look at the first releases...images and words and awake and falling into infinity...those where fairly eh bad...but finally they seemed to have turned on Scenes from a memory album and making cool music which just shows from albums like Octavarium, Sdoit and tot! are we talking about the same albums???? images and words and awake......fairly eh bad.....? Yea, how could you say that? I agree that Falling into Infinity is a flop, but the other two you listed are great albums.

Falling into Infinity is underrated. I would prefer it to Octavarium anytime.

I can't say much about Queensryche or Fates Warning. I never really liked either of them, and consequently don't follow them. I do like some of their material, but I can't give a solid opinion on what they're doing or have done.

Dream Theater, however, I can. I think they are on a roll. None of the albums they've put out with Rudess have been bad. Dream Theater nearly reinvent themselves every record, sound-wise, but their albums still maintain the Dream Theater sound.

Train of Thought seems to get a lot of heat from fans, but I love it. It's a good, intense, album. The album has some of their finest displays of technical precision. Even if you don't like the songs, you have to appreciate the jams on that album.

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Explain to me how Falling into Infinity is good. It does have some commedable material, but as long as I can remember, it lacked the top-notch musicianship throughout much of the record, and it was just boring. Maybe it's time I tried again.

Moatilliatta wrote: Explain to me how Falling into Infinity is good. It does have some commedable material, but as long as I can remember, it lacked the top-notch musicianship throughout much of the record, and it was just boring. Maybe it's time I tried again.

Progressive rock isn't so much about virtuosity as it is creativity...  songs like Lines In The Sand and Trial Of Tears represent some of DT's most creative ideas and execution.

MikeEnRegalia wrote: Man Overboard wrote: My main issue with Dream Theater is that they have this deep, deep love for lifting riffs from other bands.  Octavarium (the track) is meant to reference lots of bands, that's true, but does the "big ending" have to be the same "big ending" that Kansas' 'The Wall' uses?  My issue with Octavarium is that it is the album where they rip off other bands most blatantly, yet some people say that it is their favorite DT album or even the only DT album they like. And at the same time an album like ToT where they do few ripping off (except Metallica) gets bashed.

Heh, yeah...  though listen to the intro to Endless Sacrifice, then the intro to Michael Jackson's "Give In To Me" and proceed to cry.


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Man Overboard wrote: Moatilliatta wrote: Explain to me how Falling into Infinity is good. It does have some commedable material, but as long as I can remember, it lacked the top-notch musicianship throughout much of the record, and it was just boring. Maybe it's time I tried again. Progressive rock isn't so much about virtuosity as it is creativity...  songs like Lines In The Sand and Trial Of Tears represent some of DT's most creative ideas and execution.

True, but Dream Theater has always incorporated unmatched virtuosity into their music, while still being very creative. But I guess it is only one album, and like I said, they reinvent themselves every record. That album was just one of their experiements. I've probably been viewing it the wrong way. Though now that I'm thinking about it, I don't think it's a very consistent record. Songs like "You Not Me" and "Burning My Soul" aren't creative at all.

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Moatilliatta wrote: Explain to me how Falling into Infinity is good. It does have some commedable material, but as long as I can remember, it lacked the top-notch musicianship throughout much of the record, and it was just boring. Maybe it's time I tried again.

I agree, and not just in terms of virtuosity, that's not the point

for me, it's creativity that is missing from this album, there are of course some exceptions...

Man Overboard wrote: Moatilliatta wrote: Explain to me how Falling into Infinity is good. It does have some commedable material, but as long as I can remember, it lacked the top-notch musicianship throughout much of the record, and it was just boring. Maybe it's time I tried again. Progressive rock isn't so much about virtuosity as it is creativity...  songs like Lines In The Sand and Trial Of Tears represent some of DT's most creative ideas and execution.

I agree. Especially Trial of Tears, what a beautiful song, probably my 3rd favorite Dream Theater track of all time.

To answer the question of this thread, I don't think Prog Metal is going down. In fact, its going up. Look at these new bands!

Rising Force wrote: Hierophant wrote: Rising Force wrote: It's ok, we have Symphony X and Planet X now.  Planet X makes Dream Theater sound like blink 182 Damn straight.

I wouldnt go that far. IMO they are both incredible but totally differnet. DT is Prog  metal and it sounds like Yes fused wtih mettalica( not exactly..but it simple terms...) Planet X is Prog Fusion and sounds more like Chickcorea+ Weather Report+ dt+ LTE+ metalica( same thing, jsut simple terms...)

 

but as for death! I tinhk not.

aapatsos wrote: King of Loss wrote: Man Overboard wrote: Moatilliatta wrote: Explain to me how Falling into Infinity is good. It does have some commedable material, but as long as I can remember, it lacked the top-notch musicianship throughout much of the record, and it was just boring. Maybe it's time I tried again. Progressive rock isn't so much about virtuosity as it is creativity...  songs like Lines In The Sand and Trial Of Tears represent some of DT's most creative ideas and execution. I agree. Especially Trial of Tears, what a beautiful song, probably my 3rd favorite Dream Theater track of all time. To answer the question of this thread, I don't think Prog Metal is going down. In fact, its going up. Look at these new bands! I agree, but this is not the question of this thread...

Oh, I know, I know, I'm just kinda all whacked up today!