"Fall" of the great prog-metal bands?

Useful_Idiot wrote: I have some problems declaring Queensryche one of the great prog-metal bands, if only because they've got one album that I would seriously consider prog.  I actually consider Octavarium the least awful recording I've heard from DT thus far (), and can't say anything about newer Fates Warning as I haven't heard their recent recordings. That said, prog-metal fans need to look beyond the genre's "major" bands.

speaking of which, maybe it's about time you change your avatar?

Useful_Idiot wrote: I have some problems declaring Queensryche one of the great prog-metal bands, if only because they've got one album that I would seriously consider prog.  I actually consider Octavarium the least awful recording I've heard from DT thus far (), and can't say anything about newer Fates Warning as I haven't heard their recent recordings. That said, prog-metal fans need to look beyond the genre's "major" bands.

well that's for sure

Joren wrote: Useful_Idiot wrote: I have some problems declaring Queensryche one of the great prog-metal bands, if only because they've got one album that I would seriously consider prog.  I actually consider Octavarium the least awful recording I've heard from DT thus far (), and can't say anything about newer Fates Warning as I haven't heard their recent recordings. That said, prog-metal fans need to look beyond the genre's "major" bands. speaking of which, maybe it's about time you change your avatar?

I think that while it makes much sense to expand your taste and listen to smaller bands, maybe also "quirkier" music, weird stuff etc., we shouldn't leave the big names behind. I'm always happy when I find another extreme metal band with really cool music, but that does not diminish my appreciation for stellar albums like Opeth - Blackwater Park in any way.

But you do have a point ... I like to change my avatar frequently to promote smaller bands. Expect another change later today!

Scenes from a Memory is the only truly great DT album. The albums before it all have great moments - but that's not enough to make a great album.

After Scenes came 6DOIT, which is very "Interesting" but I wouldn't say it's a good album. Train of Thought has Stream of Consciousness which is mind-blowing and In the Name of God which is fairly OK but not outstanding, the rest of Train of Thought is bad. Dream Theater have never sounded more like Metallica ... Their not very good at being "angry" either! Octavarium is bad too, except for the title track which is very good.

 

I'd definitely say they are on their way down.

TheLamb wrote: Scenes from a Memory is the only truly great DT album. The albums before it all have great moments - but that's not enough to make a great album. After Scenes came 6DOIT, which is very "Interesting" but I wouldn't say it's a good album. Train of Thought has Stream of Consciousness which is mind-blowing and In the Name of God which is fairly OK but not outstanding, the rest of Train of Thought is bad. Dream Theater have never sounded more like Metallica ... Their not very good at being "angry" either! Octavarium is bad too, except for the title track which is very good.   I'd definitely say they are on their way down.

Stream of Consciousness is my 2nd least favorite song from ToT ... only Honor Thy Father is worse. But they're both solid 3s in terms of the prog archives rating system ...

Lindsay Lohan wrote: Dream theater is better than ever! I mean just look at the first releases...images and words and awake and falling into infinity...those where fairly eh bad...but finally they seemed to have turned on Scenes from a memory album and making cool music which just shows from albums like Octavarium, Sdoit and tot!

Images & Words was bad? what kind of crack are you on? Is it pink and flavored, because even normal crack couldent get me to think I&W was anything but spectacular, so the crack would inherently be pink.

And as for Octavarium, its not great, its not even that good, but you havr to admit 2 things.

1.The concept is deep and intricite

2.Its better than FII.

Suki wrote: Rising Force wrote: It's ok, we have Symphony X and Planet X now.  I agree with the Symphony X remark, but I 'strangely' don't see why I haven't read even one bad review on Planet X. I've heard Moonbabies, I listed to it only one time and it was already enough. I hate the sound of the keyboard, the guitar solos bores me to death and the keyboard solos are that great either.. I however cannot deny that they are pretty creative. another good metal band which deserves to be mentioned here is Pain of Salvation.

It sounds like you should listen to Moonbabies some more, IMO, because there are a lot of awesome guitar and keyboard work on that album. Ignotus Per Ignotium has one of the most beautiful guitar solos ever (the solo around eight and a half minutes into the track), also, heavy riffs and a kick ass drum solo. The Noble Savage also has some pretty good solos and riffs from T-Mac. Micronesia has some pretty good keyboard on it. And there's some sick guitar and keyboard work in Moonbabies and 70 Vir. And then there's some really complex stuff, like Ataraxia, Interlude in Milan, and Ground Zero. It's a space metal masterpiece. However, I understand if you don't like it, 'cause Planet X is definetly not for everybody. But Moonbabies is more fusion oriented and all around tighter CD, while Universe is more agressive and has more hooks, so maybe you'd like that more.
 

Queensryche = Not prog to my ears.

Dream Theater = Crappy, fake "metal" chug riffs and annoying vocals...They were never good to begin with, IMO. Train of Thought is one of the most heinous things I've ever listened to, and what I've heard of Octavarium isn't so hot either.

If you're talking about the decline of prog metal bands, you must also mention Opeth. Their last album, from what I've heard, is pretty weak!

The only Fates Warning I have is Perfect Symmetry, and it's killer; I'm not going to comment on their latest output.

aapatsos wrote:  yes, we do have Symphony X, but Planet X....

Planet X is infinitely better than Symphony X.

pogoowner wrote: aapatsos wrote:  yes, we do have Symphony X, but Planet X.... Planet X is infinitely better than Symphony X.

"infinitesimally" is more like it.