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    Posted: January 06 2006 at 20:58

Frank Zappa is one of my favourites, so Iīm looking forward to get as much music from him as I can, but I know there are some albums that are not very good at all. For example I bought last year Thing Fish, and I havenīt heard it again since the day I bought it, for I think itīs a horrible album in which Zappa doesnīt play a chord.

So I was wondering if any of you can help me identify any other Zappa album which I should stay away from. Thanks.
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And by the way I own and love:

  • Weīre only it for the $
  • Ruben And The Jets
  • Freak out
  • Absolutely free
  • Waka Jawaka
  • Grand Wazoo
  • Hot Rats
  • One Size Fits All
  • Sheik Yerbouti
  • Joeīs Garage
  • The Best Band...
  • Ahead of their time
  • Uncle meat
  • Apostrophe
  • Weeny Sandwich

And of course the one I dislike Thing Fish.

 

 
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weasels ripped my flesh:

only "OH HO" and another track are worth a listen
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Points: 876 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2006 at 22:12

Tough Q...

I never thought that 'Tinseltown rebellion' was essential, 'You are what you is' is a tad patchy too..oddly both 80s albums, and most of the 80's Zappa was unreal...

They are the only two I would not recommend too highly. 'Civilization phase III' is great, but you have to be open to VERY experimental music.

I kind of agree about 'Thingfish', I am not sure what he was after on that one, but the guitar playing IS there and it is one of his better SOUNDING albums, though never a top recommendation.

For me it is hard to really dislike anything he did, Zappa was a genious and an extremely gifted and unique guitar player, it is a tragedy he is still not with us now, giving us his wonderful music and humor....
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Jazz from hell - the whole thing sounded like it was made on a 20$ kiddie keyboard

oh and i love weasels even with the screaming



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You should stay away from none of them
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Although I won't stray away from any Zappa album now (I only got about 12 or so more till somewhat completion), I don't really recommend for beginners Thing-Fish or Francesco Zappa. The latter seriously sounds like RPG music out of the 8-bit era of video games.
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I don't recommend really anything before 1971 apart from Hot rats. Most of the others just sound like the band jamming in their garage and joking around lol. We're only in it for the money has some cool bits too. I think he started to become good around waka/jawaka, grand wazoo, over nite sensation and apostrophe.
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I think your right!
and then it faded, Joe's Garage being one of the later
highlights!
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The one album I don't recommend is 'The Yellow Shark'
The ones I sincerely do recommend are:
  • Hot Rats
  • Joe's Garage
  • Sheik Yerbouti
  • Make a Jazz Noise Here (an excellent live album 9/10 or 4.5/5)
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The Man From Utopia was another weak 80s effort.
'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'

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Originally posted by transend transend wrote:

They are the only two I would not recommend too highly. 'Civilization phase III' is great, but you have to be open to VERY experimental music.

 
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Zappa albums which I know and wouldn't recommend:

  • Thing Fish
  • Francesco Zappa
  • Them or Us
  • Bongo Fury
  • Fillmore East, June 1971

 
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Originally posted by Hierophant Hierophant wrote:

Jazz from hell - the whole thing sounded like it was made on a 20$ kiddie keyboard

oh and i love weasels even with the screaming

Totally disagree. Jazz from Hell is a really good album in my opinion. There are many worse Zappa albums.
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Originally posted by Richardw Richardw wrote:

Originally posted by Hierophant Hierophant wrote:

Jazz from hell - the whole thing sounded like it was made on a 20$ kiddie keyboard

oh and i love weasels even with the screaming

Totally disagree. Jazz from Hell is a really good album in my opinion. There are many worse Zappa albums.

Agreed. The keyboard sound is minimalistic ... I may be wrong, but I think that this was done on purpose, to emphasize the importance of the actual music (and not the sound).
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AVOID THESE :
  1. Weasels Ripped My Flesh (LP, Bizarre/Reprise MS 2028, August 10, 1970)
  2. Fillmore East, June 1971 August 1971
  3. Bongo Fury October 1975
  4. Sleep Dirt January 1979
  5. Baby Snakes March 1983
  6. Thing-Fish November 1984
  7. Francesco Zappa November 1984
  8. London Symphony Orchestra Vol. II September 1987
  9. You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 4 (2CD, Rykodisc RCD 10087/88, June 14, 1991)
  10. Playground Psychotics (2CD, Barking Pumpkin D2 74244, October 27, 1992)
  11. Ahead Of Their Time (CD, Barking Pumpkin D2 74246, April 20, 1993)
  12. Have I Offended Someone? April 1997
  13. Mystery Disc September 1998
  14. Everything Is Healing Nicely December 1999
  15. Halloween (DVD-A, DTS 1101, February 4, 2003)
  16. QuAUDIOPHILIAc (DVD-A, DTS 1125, September 14, 2004)
  17. Joe's Domage (CD, VR 20042, October 1, 2004)
  18. Joe's XMasage (CD, December 21, 2005)
  19. Imaginary Diseases (CD, Zappa Records, January, 2006)
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Points: 21635 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2006 at 06:32

^ I would disagree with Weasels and Sleep Dirt, but I agree with London Symphony Orchestra (had forgotten that one) ... the others I don't know well enough.

But what is wrong with YCDTOSA 4? It mostly contains outtakes, naturally, but people can see that by looking at the track list.
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Points: 8548 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2006 at 06:34
I find Vol4 boring  but LSO Vol 1 is just fine. 

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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Richardw Richardw wrote:

Originally posted by Hierophant Hierophant wrote:

Jazz from hell - the whole thing sounded like it was made on a 20$ kiddie keyboard

oh and i love weasels even with the screaming

Totally disagree. Jazz from Hell is a really good album in my opinion. There are many worse Zappa albums.

Agreed. The keyboard sound is minimalistic ... I may be wrong, but I think that this was done on purpose, to emphasize the importance of the actual music (and not the sound).

Good point, and not only that; there is 'St. Etienne' as well. One of THE great FZ guitar solos (from the track 'Drowning Witch'). Brilliant stuff. It's worth buying the album for that track alone.
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Top of my list to avoid :

Francesco Zappa

Playground Psychotics

Filmore East '71

JABFLA

Thing Fish

Have I Offended Someone

Man From Utopia
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