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Points: 10063 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2006 at 10:31
Originally posted by NetsNJFan NetsNJFan wrote:

Originally posted by Cinema Cinema wrote:

You might say Phil Collins is to progressive rock, what Judas was to the
disciples.

Phil Collins has contributed A LOT to prog

I don't need to defend him, his brilliant career does

Amen

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Points: 167 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2006 at 14:22

Phil Collins definitely should not be included here as for even if he was place in the "Prog Related" section and someone who has never heard his solo career and Genesis prior to and then there were three.. would be in for a major shock....

I personally do not sl*g Phil Collins, I think he is a great drummer, excellent singer and writer of good POP tunes, his first four solo albums reside in my CD collection and my Ipod would sometimes play some of his songs whenever I have it on "shuffle"...

Charles

 

PS: Genesis went POP and Phil Collins was blamed...

 

Lets see what other band went through the same thing...

Chicago-Terry Kath dies and Peter Cetera gets the blame for turning them into a sappy pop band...
G'day
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Points: 3928 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2006 at 16:48

I thought it was a joke when I first read this thread...

As much as I respect Phil Collins as a drummer and singer; I like most of his work with Genesis, prog or not, and they released their all time worst album after Collins left in 'Calling All Stations' proving his worth, but his solo career is as unprog as you can get!
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Points: 606 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2006 at 18:20
Simply POP, nothing progressive (solo) !

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Points: 758 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2006 at 18:46
Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

PhilPhan wrote:

Quote well, couldn't one argue that genesis did indeed progress. doesn't the term progressive mean change ? what did you want them to do, redo "Firth of fifth" or "cinema show" again and again.

Hey pal:

Evolution and progress work like this:

 

            Neanderthal Man, Cro-Magnon Man, Modern Man

     From: The Knife to  Musical Box  and to  Supper's Ready

 

Genesis "change" worked like this:

 

        Neanderthal Man, Cro-Magnon Man, Modern Man     

From The Knife to Musical Box, to Supper's Ready and way back to  Illegal Alien

Read Darwin, things go from simple to complex not in the other way.

Iván              

 But so true

You have good arguments Iván. Phil Collins is mentioned in Genesis and Brand X and that is enough.
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Points: 4707 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2006 at 18:52

OK,  Phil Collins has a pop catalogue.......and some bad pop in there to boot.....

 
he is definitely not one of my faves.......
 
 
but......
 
 
He should be in prog related......that is what I thought prog related was for.....
defnition of prog related ....  defnitely not prog.....but related to prog somehow
He is not prog , but he is related to prog, because he is also in Genesis.
Prog On!
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Points: 24429 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2006 at 00:22
To put it in a few words:
 
you must be joking!!!Thumbs Down
 
The site would lose all credibility if Collins's solo output were added. It has nothing whatsoever to do with prog. OK, he was a member of Genesis; OK; he was a great drummer - what about the quality of the music he produced when he went solo? As others have already said, it's not even good pop.
 
What next? If a member of any prog band starts releasing hip-hop or disco albums, shall we add them to PA because they're prog-related ? I'm very open-minded when it comes to music, but I draw the line at such things.
 
 
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