REMOVE RATING-ONLY-REVIEWS?

Remove them from the algorithm that ranks albums. And I welcome non-
english speakers to review in their native language.

And I'd love to have an administrator list on this thread the top 100
albums without non-review ratings, even if it isn't changed on the
homepage.

Edited by AngleofRepose

ivan_2068 wrote: If another collaborator, Prog Reviewer or just a reviewer takes his time to make a 100 words review explaining why he gives 1 or 2 stars, no problem, it's ok, that's his opinion and he was honest plus respectful enough to explain his perspective. But if a guy called Tamtam, who never made a single review, and rates every album except Uriah Heep (Which I love) and VDGG,  with one star... and without any review gives two stars to the album in which I worked so much it pisses me. In this cases I believe all my job was in vain...

I don't think your job is in vain even in such cases. People, often visiting the site, see who write good reviews. So believe me, your opinion and opinions of many other reviewers are much more important than Tamtam's ratings. Personally, I don't care for Top 100, Top 200 etc at all. But good reviews are often helpful.

Tamtams come and go. I believe most people are giving honest ratings.

Edited by NotAProghead

ivan_2068 wrote: I don't ask to delete the ratings without review, but there are three options: Not count them for the average Make a separete list for this ratings Make a different algorhythm so that this ratings have a value not higher than 25% of a review rating. Maybe it's too much work, so I believe the owners and the administrators should decide what's the best option. Iván

Not counting the ratings for the average would not be much work, and I think that this is the way to go. Since they are not used for the average, they also don't affect the ranking of the album.

A few days ago I wrote a post about this same issue in the Collaborators section because I was really pissed:

Some Special Collaborators take a lot of work adding new bands, and believe me, it's not an easy job:

1. Write a biography double checking the data.
2. Search for a good not copyrighted photo
3. Add the albums, song by song and musician by musician, checking all the serial numbers in two or three places to avoid false information
4. Search for a photo of each album (Pre-70's albums are almost im´possible to find.

Writting a Biography is fun (At least for me because it's relaxing to write about anything not related with my work), but the searching work is hard, the albums job is easy, but it's tedious and repetitive, recently added Jean Luc Ponty and the mother fu**er has almost 30 albums, some are only remakes or new editions of old ones (So you ,must read and not only copy and paste info) 

Others are the same album with another name (because troubles with their labels or an ex-member), the data from the early albums is almost impossible to find (Including musicians) some sites give wrong song lists and when you have three or four different songlists you have to call somebody to fax or email an original cover (I found Jean Luc Ponty credited as drummer and Randy Jackson as violinist in one album)

Finding a Canteloupe Island art cover took me almost a week, thanks to other members who found hidden places, it was possible to find some rare albums.

When you have ended this it's better to make some reviews.

When I do the first review of an album I really take it even more  seriously (Especially when not well known as Traffic Sound, Laghonia or Miranda Sex Garden), in the last case I made a 1,500 words song by song review, that took me at least 3 hours, because I have to listen each song again and again even if I have heard t 1,000 times.

Edit: For people who speak English as a second language, it's even harder, because in my case  I have to use a thesaurus to check it, because one thing is making a mistake in a frienly forum like this one and another is making this same mistakes in a review that represents Prog Archives.

After that I rated this album (Fairytales about Slavery) with 5 stars because I honestly believe it deserves this rating.

If another collaborator, Prog Reviewer or just a reviewer takes his time to make a 100 words review explaining why he gives 1 or 2 stars, no problem, it's ok, that's his opinion and he was honest plus respectful enough to explain his perspective.

But if a guy called Tamtam, who never made a single review, and rates every album except Uriah Heep (Which I love) and VDGG,  with one star... and without any review gives two stars to the album in which I worked so much it pisses me.

In this cases I believe all my job was in vain, because I don't even know if this guy has ever listened the album or he's only giving low rates to anything different to Uriah Heep and VDGG just to take this twop bands to the top.

And it pisses me more that this rating has the same value of one given by Sean, Cert or any other member (Or even visitor) who has therespect of making an effort.

Believe me, during the day I steal time from my job to do this (And I do it with pleasure because I love Prog) and in the night when my girlfriend is in Perú (She works 6 months a year in NY) I miss a lot of quality time with her (Thanks God he has to do a lot of work at home so we are usually free at midnight ).

I see people who give one star to any Genesis album to keep Close to the Edge in the top...I'm an early Genesis fanatic (As everybody here knows) but I gave 5 stars to Close to the Edge and Relayer but only 4 stars to Trespass and The Lamb, because that's why I believe.}

I don't ask to delete the ratings without review, but there are three options:

1. Not count them for the average
2. Make a separete list for this ratings
3. Make a different algorhythm so that this ratings have a value not higher than 25% of a review rating.

Maybe it's too much work, so I believe the owners and the administrators should decide what's the best option.

Iván

 

Edited by ivan_2068

I agree with the others here for the reasons not to remove ratings without reviews. For albums that already have 30 or more reviews, I can't see what I could possibly add that hasn't already been said and intend on only giving those ratings. I've done that with Yes, Genesis, and Pink Floyd, and will probably do it with others in the future.

As an alternative concerning diminishing rating-only-reviews' impact on favorites calculations, is the system capable of determing those users that only give ratings as opposed to those that contribute reviews AND sometimes only give ratings? I'm not promoting this, just curious if the admins have considered it. It has its pros and cons.

Overall, an inclusive approach is better than an exclusive approach.

yes, but mainly just 1 and 5 star reviews.

delete all the ratings without reviews,or make them as to not influence anything that concerns charts or general ratings etc.,is my ferm vote...it is not important that 15.000 ratings already exist more than it is important that 15.000 ratings influence the general chart or the general rating of an album...

Edited by Ricochet

They would only have to issue a SQL command like this:

"DELETE FROM REVIEWS WHERE REVIEW_TEXT IS NULL"

But I agree that it would be more friendly to not just simply delete them. I think that 90% of them have been issued by people in good faith.

Edited by MikeEnRegalia

MikeEnRegalia wrote: W.Chuck wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: ^ as soon as they are no longer used in the calculation, there is no need anymore to abuse them. I agree that they would be rather unimportant ... but there is no NEED to remove them. OK DON'T REMOVE THEM, BUT DON'T COUNT THEM, THAT's MOST IMPORTANT! Agreed.

Also agreed

Edited by Winter Wine

W.Chuck wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: ^ as soon as they are no longer used in the calculation, there is no need anymore to abuse them. I agree that they would be rather unimportant ... but there is no NEED to remove them. OK DON'T REMOVE THEM, BUT DON'T COUNT THEM, THAT's MOST IMPORTANT!

Agreed.