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    Posted: January 05 2006 at 13:30
PLEASE VOTE I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE SITE AND ITS AUTHENTICITY!

Should reviews with NO TEXT and ONLY a RATING be removed or at least not counted?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2006 at 13:31

Yes.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2006 at 13:33
Yes they should be removed and chuck, Ya got there before me with the idea! Ya git
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2006 at 13:35
Ahh - but remember, not everyone feels confident enough to post a review but would like to register their approval/disapproval - also, some people do not have english as their first language and might feel inhibited - should THEIR opinions not count?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2006 at 13:38

Originally posted by horza horza wrote:

Ahh - but remember, not everyone feels confident enough to post a review but would like to register their approval/disapproval - also, some people do not have english as their first language and might feel inhibited - should THEIR opinions not count?

A good point but shouldn't that be explained to the admins?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2006 at 13:40
at least they could write in their language!
I've found so many reviews with another language and furthermore I think it is very brazen to chose an english nickname and write nothing

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2006 at 13:45

Originally posted by W.Chuck W.Chuck wrote:

at least they could write in their language!
I've found so many reviews with another language and furthermore I think it is very brazen to chose an english nickname and write nothing

Also a good point

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2006 at 13:46

I vote yes.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2006 at 13:51
Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

Originally posted by horza horza wrote:

Ahh - but remember, not everyone feels confident enough to post a review but would like to register their approval/disapproval - also, some people do not have english as their first language and might feel inhibited - should THEIR opinions not count?

A good point but shouldn't that be explained to the admins?

This is an ongoing discussion for months , with most admin admitting there is a prpbblem but M@X and Proglucky (the owners are not agreeeing with them).

I personally voted not caring about a useless issue. The reviews are important to fid new bands.

the ratings mean nothing and are abused by almost everyone.

and those top list are just paid too much attention to. They have been skewed and are completely untrustworthy.

let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
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as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2006 at 13:55

Originally posted by W.Chuck W.Chuck wrote:

at least they could write in their language!
I've found so many reviews with another language and furthermore I think it is very brazen to chose an english nickname and write nothing

 

 Thats a good point, its a little hard for us non-english speakers to make a review.... it can be easier if we can make a review with our main language...

anyway i voted no, but if we can review with our own lenguage i vote yes

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2006 at 14:00
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

The reviews are important to fid new bands.




Well yes REVIEWS-WITH TEXT, so that you can inform about a band and if you are looking for a new band everyone looks at the rating, which is either tempting or deterrent!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2006 at 14:00

My proposition is based on STEPS.

  • Step 1: from a date informed by PA, e.g., January 15th, all albums rated 5* or 1* shall be obligatorily accompanied by a review.
  • Step 2: a limit date shall be defined to eliminate all 5* and 1* ratings without reviews. All people that rated with no reviews shall be able to make their reviews explaining their ratings. This limit date shall be scheduled for 3-4 months ahead.
  • Step 3: after Step 2 has finished to repeat Step 1 for all albums rated 2*, 3* and 4*.
  • Step 4: to do Step 2 for albums rated 2*, 3* and 4*.

I believe it can work smoothly!

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2006 at 14:05
Hmm, I think this could be subsumed to one step, I don't see a great difference in the effect.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2006 at 14:08
Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

My proposition is based on STEPS.

  • Step 1: from a date informed by PA, e.g., January 15th, all albums rated 5* or 1* shall be obligatorily accompanied by a review.
  • Step 2: a limit date shall be defined to eliminate all 5* and 1* ratings without reviews. All people that rated with no reviews shall be able to make their reviews explaining their ratings. This limit date shall be scheduled for 3-4 months ahead.
  • Step 3: after Step 2 has finished to repeat Step 1 for all albums rated 2*, 3* and 4*.
  • Step 4: to do Step 2 for albums rated 2*, 3* and 4*.

I believe it can work smoothly!

 

 

Not a bad idea at all, but the way I see it two problems are still left

  • The language problem - some people may not be able to write out a full review, though I guess it could be short like a note, with a couple of good points. I mean a lot of people who would be this possition still post in forums etc.
  • People could be so bold to just give crummy, useless reviews with no valid points at all for example - "I think Foxtrots bad because its not good".

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2006 at 14:09
At the very least, you can't rate an album 1 or 5 without a review.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2006 at 14:20

I have repeated below, my post from one of the many other threads on this topic. I would say here though that it would have been better if the poll had had a few more options. The site owners have made it clear they will not delete the 15,000+ ratings without reviews which have already been posted. It would therefore be more appropriate to offer options which work within that such as:

  • Banning ratings without reviews in the future
  • Reducing or eliminating the impact on RwR on the chart, recommended albums etc.

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Just to explain once again why ratings without reviews are allowed.

 

The view is that some people either do not speak English sufficiently well to write a coherent review in English (per the site rules). Others find it very difficult to put into words what they feel about an album, and do not wish to look foolish or as they see it tarnish the site with a poor review. The owners of the site(*) are committed to allowing as many people as possible to actively participate in the site, even if it is just by recording their rating for the albums which are listed here.

 

There are over 15,000 ratings without reviews. The site owners feel that to remove these, or simply ignore them would be unfair to those who have taken the trouble to record their views. The vast majority of these ratings reflect the submitter's sincere views of the album being rated.

 

The site owners are however aware of the controversy surrounding ratings without reviews, and are looking at how best to address this. This will take a little time, there are more important things to be dealt with, and everything must take its turn. Rest assured, a solution will be found, but please be patient.

 

Speaking personally, I have said many times that I do not like ratings without reviews. I feel that if they are to be included, their impact on features such as the chart and the average ratings should be reduced (say 50% of a rating supported by a review), or removed with the rating appearing for information only on the album page.  

 

(* For those who do not know, the owners of the site are M@X and Proglucky. I am not speaking on their behalf here, simply conveying their thoughts as I understand them)

 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2006 at 14:26
I don't think old ratings without reviews should be deleted,but ratings without reviews ought to be stopped right now.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2006 at 14:29
I think that these ratings should be allowed, but not be used in the calculation of the average rating. This would also mean that the old ratings would not have to be removed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2006 at 14:31
Ok, let's say the option "YES" means that those ratings are prohibited in the future!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2006 at 14:35

I never look at ratings without reviews. I don't pay attention to the top 100 rankings. All I care about is reading well thought out and comprehensive reviews of albums that I might take an interest in. Then, if there are soundclips, I listen to the soundclips. If I like them, I just might go out and buy the album. That's it. That's all that matters. Everything else is mere puffery.

Therefore, I voted that I don't care.

 

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