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    Posted: January 03 2006 at 05:25

Killing Joke is a hard band to describe. It's not prog and it's not punk. I would describe it as psychedelic metal.

Are there any other Jokers on the forum?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2006 at 08:36

Happy new year Bob!

I'm sure we've discussed Killing Joke before, but cant remenber what was said. I used to like them up until 'Outside the Gate' then gave up on them.

My favourite album is 'Brighter than a thousand Suns' although the early 'punk' albums like 'Whats this for' have a certain horrible charm..

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2006 at 08:45
Yeah, it's the early 'punk' albums I prefer, (up until Jaz got all weird and gloomy)
I suppose I would call them 'new wave' or 'post-punk' if I was to get all pedantic about it..  but I'm not, so call 'em whatever u like


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2006 at 08:56

Not sure I'd call them punk at all.

 

 

 

Ok I am sure......I wouldn't.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2006 at 09:04
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Not sure I'd call them punk at all.

Ok I am sure......I wouldn't.

They always get lumped in with the punk bands but I wouldn't say they were punk at all. I hate punk but I like Killing Joke. They just have too much technical ability to be called punk (as Blacksword once said to me). What I like about Killing joke is the hypnotic rythms. The bass and drums just keep going round and round playing the same patterns over and over again and Jazz Coleman's vocals are intense. Of course it doesn't always work. Some of their stuff is a bit boring but when it works it's great. I just bought their new live album. Intense psychedelic stuff.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2006 at 10:40

Even when they were often being refered to as punk, they were not pure punk. Even early songs like War Dance and Requiem had an 'intelligent' edge. Brutal...but somehow thoughtful. They exuded anger in a far more unsettling and disturbing way than any other 'punk' band. I think this was down to a combination of tribal drumming and Jaz Colemans bitter turn of phrase.

I still ocassionally play 'Whats this For' Tension and Fall of Because are great songs, and very original. Plus, they will clear a house of unwanted guests in a flash..

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2006 at 11:13
I think Jaz once referred to them as a punk band , in their very early days ....but they do defy definition into any one category . After The Stranglers , these are one of my very favourite bands . Their mid 90's material is very much worth a listen  , very powerful . It tends to be the drumms more than anything that make the KJ sound ....the beat they have is unique to them .
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2006 at 15:32

Great band!

I'm looking forward to their new album (will be released later this year).

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2006 at 03:35
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

tribal drumming

Tribal drumming - that's a good description. Those beats are adictive.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2006 at 03:36
Originally posted by AngelRat AngelRat wrote:

Great band!

I'm looking forward to their new album (will be released later this year).

Yes I wonder if they'll continue with the really heavy direction of the last album or whether they'll try something new?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2006 at 03:39

Originally posted by Jon The Impaler Jon The Impaler wrote:

After The Stranglers , these are one of my very favourite bands .

Killing Joke and The Stranglers are your favourite bands? Are you on the right forum?!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2006 at 10:15
Originally posted by Bob Greece Bob Greece wrote:

Originally posted by Jon The Impaler Jon The Impaler wrote:

After The Stranglers , these are one of my very favourite bands .

Killing Joke and The Stranglers are your favourite bands? Are you on the right forum?!

 

No  I am not  , but never made any issues about it . I visited here from the Punk77 website , mainly to put a few misconceptions about punk right , but as you can see , there is music that crooses all boundaries . I quite enjoy the discussions here , though some bands I don't have a clue about . Anyway , its all very quiet and boring on the punk77 site at the moment and I have to have something to do

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2006 at 10:29
Originally posted by Jon The Impaler Jon The Impaler wrote:

No  I am not  , but never made any issues about it . I visited here from the Punk77 website , mainly to put a few misconceptions about punk right , but as you can see , there is music that crooses all boundaries . I quite enjoy the discussions here , though some bands I don't have a clue about . Anyway , its all very quiet and boring on the punk77 site at the moment and I have to have something to do

Amazing! It's good to see that punk and prog fans can be together and have a decent conversation without fighting.  Personally I don't like punk but I love Killing Joke and whilst I'm not a Stranglers fan, I have to say that the songs of theirs I've heard on the radio have been very catchy (are they really punk?). Do you like any prog bands?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2006 at 10:44

Originally posted by Jon The Impaler Jon The Impaler wrote:

I think Jaz once referred to them as a punk band , in their very early days ....but they do defy definition into any one category . After The Stranglers , these are one of my very favourite bands . Their mid 90's material is very much worth a listen  , very powerful . It tends to be the drumms more than anything that make the KJ sound ....the beat they have is unique to them .

Nice to hear from you again Jon! Who or what is Jaz?

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2006 at 10:54
Jaz = Jeremy Coleman = Founder member/singer/keyboard player/lyricist of Killing Joke 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2006 at 18:08
im a big post punk fan and i heard there first album and i thought it was ok but not great is there any better albums by them
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2006 at 03:50

Originally posted by Hemispheres Hemispheres wrote:

im a big post punk fan and i heard there first album and i thought it was ok but not great is there any better albums by them

I think that they really started to get good from 1985 onwards. Here are the albums I would recommend:

  • Night Time (1985) - containing their one hit single Love Like Blood
  • Brighter Than a Thousand Suns (1986)
  • Extremities, Dirt & Various Repressed Emotions (1990)
  • Pandemonium (1994)
  • Democracy (1996)
  • Killing Joke (2003) - their heaviest album. Intense.
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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2006 at 01:26
    I like Night Time, Extremities is very interesting but flawed. I need to pick up "What is this for?"
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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2006 at 01:51
    Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

    Originally posted by Jon The Impaler Jon The Impaler wrote:

    I think Jaz once referred to them as a punk band , in their very early days ....but they do defy definition into any one category . After The Stranglers , these are one of my very favourite bands . Their mid 90's material is very much worth a listen  , very powerful . It tends to be the drumms more than anything that make the KJ sound ....the beat they have is unique to them .

    Nice to hear from you again Jon! Who or what is Jaz?

     

    Jaz ...Jaz Coleman - Killing Joke's singer .

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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2006 at 01:56
    Originally posted by Bob Greece Bob Greece wrote:

    Originally posted by Hemispheres Hemispheres wrote:

    im a big post punk fan and i heard there first album and i thought it was ok but not great is there any better albums by them

    I think that they really started to get good from 1985 onwards. Here are the albums I would recommend:

  • Night Time (1985) - containing their one hit single Love Like Blood
  • Brighter Than a Thousand Suns (1986)
  • Extremities, Dirt & Various Repressed Emotions (1990)
  • Pandemonium (1994)
  • Democracy (1996)
  • Killing Joke (2003) - their heaviest album. Intense.
  • Night Time I think is superb , but for me ,surprisingly , Pandemonium is the pick of their albums . Surprising I say because I like punk music and though all their material would go well beyond simple punk ( I think KJ have often been described as Industrial music ) , Pandemonium is powerful but also uses a lot of technology and style punk would never approach .At their best , these can be brilliant , even their early stuff stood out from the run of the mill punk stuff .

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