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Atkingani 
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 Topic: "A trick of the tail" with Peter Gabriel
Posted: December 10 2005 at 21:54 |
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I vote for Dance On A Volcano (but in fact I'd like to see PG singing all).
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King of Loss
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Posted: December 10 2005 at 22:01 |
All, Phil is a %#@&$ dwarf!
Jus' kiddin', but I seriously voted for that.
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: December 10 2005 at 22:02 |
None, Phil is superb! 
but if I had to pick it'd be "Robbery, assault & battery", Peter would have fun with that, similar to "Battle of Epping Forest"
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The Miracle
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Posted: December 10 2005 at 22:03 |
^Yea, I voted that too because I hate him
I'd enjoy the album sooo much more if it was sung by Gabriel
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FragileDT
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Posted: December 10 2005 at 22:10 |
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The thing you have to realize is how different the album would have been if
Gabriel was a part of it. He had a lot of input when it came to the bands
musical output (maybe not always musically, but the band wrote around his
lyrics) and the lyrics would have been different and more intricate.
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One likes to believe
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But glittering prizes
And endless Compromises
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ThisWas
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Posted: December 10 2005 at 22:29 |
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i enjoy the album without gabriel on it, so i wouldnt want to change any songs
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FragileDT
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Posted: December 10 2005 at 22:35 |
 ThisWas wrote:
i enjoy the album without gabriel on it, so i wouldnt want
to change any songs |
I agree. I wouldn't really want to hear a Gabriel-Genesis album without
Gabriel's musical or lyrical input at all. Than it's not really a Gabriel-era
album.
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One likes to believe
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: December 10 2005 at 22:39 |
Lets remember something, Mad Man Moon and A Trick of the Tail were written by Gabriel and Banls for SEBTP, but didn't reached the album, of course the arrangements were altered to fit into Phil's voice.
But if I had to choose one song that fit Peter perfectly it would be Dance in a Volcano, the rest of the album seems made for Phil.
Now if you gave me W&W, there are at least 3 songs that would be much better with Gabriel; Eleventh Earl, One for the Vine and All in a Mouse Night.
Iván
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Bj-1
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Posted: December 10 2005 at 22:42 |
King of Loss wrote:
All, Phil is a %#@&$ dwarf!
Jus' kiddin', but I seriously voted for that.
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Well, he is around 5'6, so...
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I think PC did a great job on that album, So i voted "None- Phil is superb"
Edited by Bj-1
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RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
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Deliriumist
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Posted: December 11 2005 at 12:32 |
I enjoy Phil's singing on all of the tracks.
But if Peter would sing on one of the tracks I'd choose "Robbery, Assault & Battery".
There's a lot of dialog and speech-like singing in the song and Peter's an expert in characterisations.
I think it would come out something like "The Battle of Epping Forest".
I think I'm copying NetsNJFan's words here
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Atkingani
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Posted: December 11 2005 at 12:38 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
Lets remember something, Mad Man Moon and A Trick of the Tail were written by Gabriel and Banls for SEBTP, but didn't reached the album, of course the arrangements were altered to fit into Phil's voice.
But if I had to choose one song that fit Peter perfectly it would be Dance in a Volcano, the rest of the album seems made for Phil.
Now if you gave me W&W, there are at least 3 songs that would be much better with Gabriel; Eleventh Earl, One for the Vine and All in a Mouse Night.
Iván
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I agree about the W&W... but I chose ATOTT since it was the first work after Gabriel's exit. I bought ATOTT in 1975 and at that time comparisons were unavoidable. 
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Posted: December 11 2005 at 12:43 |
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The music of ATotT, WW, and ATTW3 is perfect for Phil's voice. I wouldn't want anyone else singing on any of these albums...but if Pete had to sing one, he would probably be best served for "Robbery, Assault, and Battery", so I agree with Deliriumist. And as Ivan said, PG could also have sung "Eleventh Earl of Mar" (but at this point in PG's career, 1977, Phil sounded more like Peter than Peter did...his voice had lost its trademark raspiness)
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Deliriumist
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Posted: December 11 2005 at 12:54 |
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About Wind and Wuthering - I think it wouldn't have mattered very much wich one had sung on it.
I never knew that it was Phil singing until I was told so.
I even got into an argument about the singer as I was certain it was Peter.
I'm glad I didn't make a bet on in it though.
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horza
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Posted: December 11 2005 at 13:02 |
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None - this album has Collins singing.
Over and out.It was the first album of Genesis that I heard.
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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herbie53
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Posted: December 11 2005 at 13:10 |
This album is PERFECT!!! And Phil have a great participation on his development !!!
The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway is not so good, because... Peter Gabriel and his ideas out of Prog Rock !!! 
This album is Prog Rock because the absence of Mr. Gabriel !!!
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salmacis
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Posted: December 11 2005 at 15:41 |
I voted 'none'. I don't see how this album could ever be topped- it's a perfect prog album to these ears that I wouldn't change anything about. Phil Collins did the impossible by replacing the seemingly irreplacable Gabriel.
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Posted: December 11 2005 at 16:16 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
Lets remember something, Mad Man Moon and A Trick of the Tail were written by Gabriel and Banls for SEBTP, but didn't reached the album, of course the arrangements were altered to fit into Phil's voice.
But if I had to choose one song that fit Peter perfectly it would be Dance in a Volcano, the rest of the album seems made for Phil.
Now if you gave me W&W, there are at least 3 songs that would be much better with Gabriel; Eleventh Earl, One for the Vine and All in a Mouse Night.
Iván
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How come he gets no writing credit then?
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Posted: December 11 2005 at 16:26 |
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I always dreamed of Peter Gabriel singing on Dance On A Vulcano...it would have been wonderful...
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Posted: December 11 2005 at 16:34 |
I can't imagine Peter singing on this album. Somehow it seems to be good for Collins.
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paulindigo
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Posted: December 11 2005 at 16:37 |
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Collins' vocals are perfect, even though two songs were co-written
by gabriel (are you sure about this point, ivan? I remember reading
in Armando Gallo's books that banks had written atott many years
before the recording, maybe even 6 or 7, and I don't remember any
collaoration from gabriel - maybe it's just my memory, can you give
more information on this topic? thanks!)
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