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    Posted: December 06 2005 at 21:25

Hey, how come there are no Phil Collins CD's listed in the review section ? As one of the original members of the greatest prog band ever, he should be there.

There are Steve Hackett and Peter Gabriel solo albums listed there.

Why not Phill Collins ?
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Becuase he is not prog. He is pop, and he did in fact ruin the greatest prog band ever. Maybe he would be in Prog-Related but scince he like literally destroyed Genesis, screw him.

 
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because his solo albums are not progressive rock.  they are pop rock.  not that they're not good pop rock, but they are not prog rock, nor nearly as progressive as PG or hackett's solo records.  Notice the absence of Mike rutherford's solo projects....
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Points: 11746 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2005 at 21:34
We can't forget what Phil did in the early days. He was an amazing drummer!! But I agree that his solo career isn't prog at all.

RIP in bossa nova heaven.
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Points: 3839 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2005 at 21:34
Originally posted by andYouandI45 andYouandI45 wrote:

Becuase he is not prog. He is pop, and he did in fact ruin the greatest prog band ever. Maybe he would be in Prog-Related but scince he like literally destroyed Genesis, screw him.

 



whoa, guy, the popification of genesis was a team effort.  finger pointing is not necessary in this case.
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Points: 11746 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2005 at 21:39
Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

Originally posted by andYouandI45 andYouandI45 wrote:

Becuase he is not prog. He is pop, and he did in fact ruin the greatest prog band ever. Maybe he would be in Prog-Related but scince he like literally destroyed Genesis, screw him.

 



whoa, guy, the popification of genesis was a team effort.  finger pointing is not necessary in this case.


Totally agree

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well, couldn't one argue that genesis did indeed progress. doesn't the term progressive mean change ? what did you want them to do, redo "Firth of fifth" or "cinema show" again and again.
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Points: 249 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2005 at 21:56

Phil was one of the two best things to happen to Genesis. (Steve Hackett being the other.) I preferred Phil's fluid, athletic stagemanship over Peter's stiff and choreographed stuff. Phil was an exciting drummer as well.

Yet I haven't heard anything from Phil's solo stuff that would qualify for reminiscing on this site. But of course I cannot stop anyone from reminiscing about anything. Nor would I want to be that kind of jerk.

 



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Phil hasn't written a single Progressive note in any of his solo albums, he's included as a member of Genesis (Despite his crimes against Prog ).

But as a soloist, he should be in the Pop Atchives.

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Originally posted by andYouandI45 andYouandI45 wrote:

Becuase he is not prog. He is pop, and he did in fact ruin the greatest prog band ever. Maybe he would be in Prog-Related but scince he like literally destroyed Genesis, screw him.

 

 (though just one thing he is a great drummer don`t forget that)
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You might say Phil Collins is to progressive rock, what Judas was to the
disciples.
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Points: 3047 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2005 at 23:46

Originally posted by Cinema Cinema wrote:

You might say Phil Collins is to progressive rock, what Judas was to the
disciples.

Phil Collins has contributed A LOT to prog

I don't need to defend him, his brilliant career does
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Phil Collins has done such a great job, whether you like it or not. He can play and write music what he wants to, without listening to anyone's opinion.

Even me, I stop buying Genesis post ATTWT and I am not interested to collect his albums. but I give him credits.
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Points: 230 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2005 at 00:42
KILL PHIL!!!
KILL PHIL!!!
KILL PHIL!!!
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KILL PHIL!!!

EVERYBODY NOW!!!!!

LMFBO.

Ahh me.

Gotta love Prog fans.

Warms the cockles of me 'eart.

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Phil Collins had some great post-Genesis songs.  I personally am not much of a fan of his music, but he definitely deserves respect.  Inclusion on this site (as a solo artist), however, should not and will not ever happen.
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Points: 848 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2005 at 02:32
Originally posted by Bern Bern wrote:


Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:


Originally posted by andYouandI45 andYouandI45 wrote:

Becuase he is not prog.
He is pop, and he did in fact ruin the greatest prog band ever. Maybe
he would be in Prog-Related but scince he like literally destroyed
Genesis, screw him.

whoa, guy, the popification of genesis was a team effort.  finger pointing is not necessary in this case.

Of course it was, as we have already discussed many times...blame (if you wish, I don't) Tony Banks and Mike Rutherford as well for that!

Totally agree
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Points: 1242 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2005 at 02:56
Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

Phil hasn't written a single Progressive note in any of his solo albums, he's included as a member of Genesis (Despite his crimes against Prog ).

But as a soloist, he should be in the Pop Atchives.

Iván

No way

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Points: 14693 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2005 at 03:26
Originally posted by PhilPhan PhilPhan wrote:

well, couldn't one argue that genesis did indeed progress. doesn't the term progressive mean change ? what did you want them to do, redo "Firth of fifth" or "cinema show" again and again?


Well, yes, actually - your point being?

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Points: 3254 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2005 at 03:30
I dont get that Prog Related thingie...there are many artists there that does not got any progressive elements at all
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Originally posted by PhilPhan PhilPhan wrote:

well, couldn't one argue that genesis did indeed progress. doesn't the term progressive mean change ? what did you want them to do, redo "Firth of fifth" or "cinema show" again and again.

     Changing one's style is not the same as progressing, especially when the change involves reverting to a set of pre-existing pop clichés. No progression where there's no innovation. It's possible to be innovative within a pop format, Eno, Gabriel, Kate Bush and David Sylvian, for example,  can do that, but I wouldn't include Collins or later Genesis in that category.

     Ohhhh, you can't hurry love, nooohhhh, it's just got to wait!!!!....
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