Styx

Herman H. wrote: dream_orchestra wrote: ... that there rae probably only about 30 bands in the whole music universe that need to be added in here ... If it were only that few number, this website wouldn't even exist.

 

It would be rather dead here,that's for sure.

 

pero wrote: ivan_2068 wrote: pero wrote: American prog. What is this Let's Americans stick to jazz, jazz - rock, blues, rock, gospel, contry, pop but no prog please In first place talk about USA, because America is a continent (If you want the Americas). I'm not from USA, my mother is 50% Italian and 50% Scottish, so it would be more reasonable that I would agree with your statement, but I believe nobody should generalize, what about: Glass Hammer The Red Masque Pavlov's Dog Kansas California Guitar Trio (Not Prog but prog related) Santana (At least Psychedelia) Tony Levin Frank Zappa Primus Proto Kaw Billy Cobham St. Elmo's Fire (Spitting Ions in the Ether is a maserpiece) Steve Roach U-Totem Dream Theater I could follow, but it's enough to make a point. Iván I like Santana very much (early period esspecialy Caravanserai with jazz influences). He was never psyhodelic. Santana is not classical prog. Billy Cobham plays exellent jazz/rock which I said is great in American music. I like Zappa also, but he is more related to jazz, rock an avantgarde than classical prog. Pavlov's dog is only band you mentioned here that can be related to classical prog

For God's sake Pero, I never said all this bands were classical Prog, but all are Prog:

1. The so called American Psychedelia was born in San Francisco and Carlos Santana is one of the pioneers of the movement, read  http://www.vintagerock.com/sanfran.html a link that explains the Psychedelic San Francisco scenario
2. Billy Cobham not only plays Jazz, he plays Prog/Fusion, this is a sub-genre of Prog.
3. Frank Zappa is not Classical Prog either, due to his beginnings I would place him in Proto Prog.
4. Pavlov's Dog is a Classical USA Prog band, they started in the early 70's so it's impossible to consider Neo Prog as many people believe, because Neo Prog didn't developed until the very late 70's early 80's.

What about Tony Levin? He played with King Crimson, Peter Gabriel, ABWH, Yes (During the Union tour), etc.

What about Kansas? The most Symphonic and classical Prog band ever as well as Proto Kaw, their predecessor.

I don't care if this bands are classical Prog, Fusion, Art Rock or Avant Garde, the fact is that they are 100% Prog bands and all came from USA, so it's unaccurate to say Prog is only a Britoish or Europe thing.

Have you ever heard:

Pablo el Enterrador (Argentina): One of the best Prog bands in Latin America.

Sagrado Coracao Da Terra (Brazil): Great Symphonic band from Brazil

Los Jaivas: Incredible Ethnoic Prog band from Chile.

Traffic Sound (Perú): Probably the first¨Proto Prog Experiment in Latin America duiring the mid and late 60's.

Laghonia (Perú): One of the best Psychedelic/Prog bands from the sub-continent

Frágil (Perú): La Piece de Resistance, one of the best Symphonic bands ever, they never reached international fame because they had the bad luck of being born in the thoird world and insisted to make Prog in Spanish, look for them in this page.

Those who say Prog is a British or Europe thing are ignoring other continents where  wonderful Prog' has been created, you can also find amazing bands in Israel, Japan, Russia (Eurasia), Africa, Australia and almost everywhere.

Prog was born in UK, but Psychedelia is a USA thing and this is where Prog started.

Iván

 

A quick geography lesson.....There are is no continent called the Americas...but there are North and South America.

I've heard Styx from their first self titled album to Kilroy was here.......but binned them all, as they were rotten. Maybe one or 2 songs had prog leanings, but that doesn't make them prog.

And, prog related is a ridiculous genre, which only seems to allow bands or solo artists to be allowed on this very good, interesting and entertaining site, who are different to mainstream music and have no pigeon hole.

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well dream orchestra, congratulations on supporting the stereotype that people from Britain are pompous and arrogant, good job on that.

as for styx, i think they are a joke and a terrible band.

I am from the states and i love bands like spocks beard, tool, opeth, dream theater and fates warning.

i also love bands like carptree, rain, magic pie, radio clip 2,  porcupine tree and blackfield (which i agree that european prog is more sophisticated than american prog, but i dont see why youre so pissy about it)

- Rashikal

dream_orchestra wrote: I've heard Styx from their first self titled album to Kilroy was here.......but binned them all, as they were rotten. Maybe one or 2 songs had prog leanings, but that doesn't make them prog. And, prog related is a ridiculous genre, which only seems to allow bands or solo artists to be allowed on this very good, interesting and entertaining site, who are different to mainstream music and have no pigeon hole.

 

Well,thanx for letting me know.Your opinion is yours,but you do come across as an angry young man.

Why is not clear,except if it is because non-pure prog bands are allowed  to be discussed around here.

If it was up to you,who would be allowed on here.I would really like to know.

To me this place is nice to be ,when you find something you have in common with fellow fans of a particular band.

You may also actually learn something new around here,or old.

Some people here love extreme siy¿tuations:

1. Some say only Great Britain and some Europe countries made good Prog
2. Other's say there's Prog Rap or Hip Hop

Hey guys, there are middle points.

Dream Orchestra said:

A quick geography lesson.....There are is no continent called the Americas...but there are North and South America.

Before you try to give me a lesson, read and discover that not only the theories that you studied in your country are valid, there are sixmodels of Continental divisions, and three of them consider America as one whole Continent because there's no natural division (Unless you believe that the Panama Channell divides America):

Because geography is defined by local convention, there are several conceptions as to which landmasses qualify as continents. There are names for six, but America is often divided, and Europe is often united with Asia. Ignoring cases where Antarctica is omitted, there are half a dozen lists. Models 7 continents: Antarctica South America North America Europe Asia Africa Australia 6 continents: Antarctica America Europe Asia Africa Australia 6 continents: Antarctica South America North America Eurasia Africa Australia 5 continents: Antarctica America Eurasia Africa Australia 5 continents: Antarctica South America Laurasia Africa Australia 4 continents: Antarctica America Africa-Eurasia Australia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent

From the six models of continents, at least 50% consider America as a whole Continent, but you'll probably consider that what we learn outside UK is rubbish.

Iván

PS: I was taught in school that there were 5 Continents (Europe, Asia, Africa, America and Australia (Oceanía in Spanish because Australia is a nation).

Now they teach there are 6 continents including Antartica.

Again, if you don't trust me or Wikipedia you can check the Georgetown information in http://www.georgetown.edu/pdba/english.html Unless you don't truust the either because is located in USA.

Political Database of the Americas
Constitutions and Comparative Constitutional Analysis
Constitutions by country	Comparative Constitutional Analysis	Reference Materials

 

 

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I see Styx as more art rock then anything else...but just for the brilliance of their "Equinox", "Crystal Ball", "Grand Illusion", "Pieces Of Eight" run, they deserve their place in history.  Prog purists are really scary man... when did music stop being about the music and become more about the genre or sub-genre the band is classified under??