Styx

The gay remark was just plain stupid, but probably not meant in the way you think. Lately, it has begun to be a term that just implies something is lame, with no connection at all to gays or the gay lifestyle.

I agree with you Ken.. but I believe any form of discrimination is wrong, despite the intention of the person, first we start doing gay remaks, then religious, sexist and racial. I love Prog Archives because is probably the place where you can find more respect among members and I would like to keep it like this.

If I'm wrong about any discriminatory statement I'm sorry, but I rather  be too carefull than too permissive, because a storm starts with a breeze.

Iván

ivan_2068 wrote: The gay remark was just plain stupid, but probably not meant in the way you think. Lately, it has begun to be a term that just implies something is lame, with no connection at all to gays or the gay lifestyle. I agree with you Ken.. but I believe any form of discrimination is wrong, despite the intention of the person, first we start doing gay remaks, then religious, sexist and racial. I love Prog Archives because is probably the place where you can find more respect among members and I would like to keep it like this. If I'm wrong about any discriminatory statement I'm sorry, but I rather  be too carefull than too permissive, because a storm starts with a breeze. Iván

i definitely agree with you ivan..

i love this site, together with its collaborators and admins

not all members though

whatever we do, post, or anything...

please show some kindness and mutual respect

we all deserve that

dream_orchestra wrote: It is fair to say when UK prog bands go bad, they do it in pretty bloody awful stuff. ELP, Yes and others have had some major turkeys, and i'm first to admit it. But what i can't take is the way that european bands get slated, and generally fo rgood reason, it i staken (usually) in the spirirt it is meant to be. However, dare to criticise some North American guff, and you'd think you had just shot their grannies. Some then state that i am anti american and crap like that, i'm not, i'm only daring to criticise music that i feel should be nowhere near these archives, that's all. But Styx.........................

I think Europe (and Britain in particular) gets more than its share of acknowledgement as the home of some of the world's finest progressive music, especially on this site.  If you take a look at the Top 100 list on the main page, based on member reviews, there are only two American bands in the top 50, and only seven in the top 100.  The two in the top 50 are Dream Theater and Tool, both of which get more than their fair share of "slating" in these forums.

You say that "some then state that I am anti American", and you're right.  I'm one of the ones who says that.  Perhaps, as you say, you're not, but if you take advantage of the Search function on this site and go find all your forum entries, you'll see that there are an inordinate number of derogatory references to America, and North America in general (sorry for my Canadian friends that you get guilted by geography with your southern neighbor).

Perhaps if the focus got back to music instead of nationality we could all have more objective and interesting discussions.  Frankly, I had to look up a number of those Top 100 bands to find out where they were from before writing this post, because I really didn't know.  I also don't care to know, or to have it be part of the criteria for deciding who's worth listening to, and who isn't.

American prog. What is this

Let's Americans stick to jazz, jazz - rock, blues, rock, gospel, contry, pop but no prog please

ldlanberg wrote: GEEEZ! HOW LONG is this thread gonna be up here in the actives? The colonists must have discussed this in their candle-lit taverns as well. Styx is an American-version of Progressive, ok? Now let's move on with life.

See ya.

Boy...sometimes these threads become just silly. Most of the best prog bands come out of the UK, etc, I will grant you that. You can criticise american stuff, I won't take offense...unless you say something idiotic like what you just said (...never will be), or that 'we' deem anything not country, soul, etc as prog...what kind of doofus statement is that? What does nationality have to do with music? Soul was born in the US, but there have been many really good UK soul artists.

And although DeYoung comes close to Rot, I would say stating all of Styx' output is rot is another silly statement...opinion, sure, everyone is allowed their opinion. Too many put these opinions forward as fact, though.

And I don't even listen to Styx that much! In fact, the only thing I have is a mix tape of mostly non-DeYoung tunes.

kenmeyerjr wrote: unless you say something idiotic like what you just said (...never will be), or that 'we' deem anything not country, soul, etc as prog...what kind of doofus statement is that?

It's a doofus statement made by a doofus and posted in a thread that can only be described the same way.  This dream orchestra fellow can have is opinion if he wants to, but he presents it in a way that makes him out to be a huge DOOFUS.

Damn, what a goddam doofus!!! 

And Styx is still prog by the way... 

ivan_2068 wrote: pero wrote: American prog. What is this Let's Americans stick to jazz, jazz - rock, blues, rock, gospel, contry, pop but no prog please In first place talk about USA, because America is a continent (If you want the Americas). I'm not from USA, my mother is 50% Italian and 50% Scottish, so it would be more reasonable that I would agree with your statement, but I believe nobody should generalize, what about: Glass Hammer The Red Masque Pavlov's Dog Kansas California Guitar Trio (Not Prog but prog related) Santana (At least Psychedelia) Tony Levin Frank Zappa Primus Proto Kaw Billy Cobham St. Elmo's Fire (Spitting Ions in the Ether is a maserpiece) Steve Roach U-Totem Dream Theater I could follow, but it's enough to make a point. Iván

I like Santana very much (early period esspecialy Caravanserai with jazz influences). He was never psyhodelic. Santana is not classical prog.

Billy Cobham plays exellent jazz/rock which I said is great in American music.

I like Zappa also, but he is more related to jazz, rock an avantgarde than classical prog.

Pavlov's dog is only band you mentioned here that can be related to classical prog