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horza
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Topic: Kate Bush Posted: November 16 2005 at 12:56 |
Prog related ?????
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Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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memowakeman
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Posted: November 16 2005 at 13:03 |
yes, if she isnt prog related, which subgenre you will put her ?
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horza
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Posted: November 16 2005 at 13:04 |
I like her - why do i have to put her anywhere?
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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Posted: November 16 2005 at 13:16 |
she is prog related
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memowakeman
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Posted: November 16 2005 at 13:21 |
yes i like her too
i only said that if she isnt prog related... then what is she?
for me shes prog related too
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horza
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Posted: November 16 2005 at 13:24 |
"she is prog related" - thats it ? proclamation as fact ?
HOW is she prog related ? In what WAY is she prog related ?
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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horza
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Posted: November 16 2005 at 13:29 |
being "prog related" should allow in muse , coheed and cambria , and others into PA - they certainly as deserving as kate bush
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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memowakeman
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Posted: November 16 2005 at 13:30 |
I dont know... i think her music isnt a specific kind of prog... not symphonic, not art rock,
Prog related because i think she has a lot of prog influences and a lot of prog passages, but without a deep prog concept, the music is pretty pop too... i dont know and sorry for my english
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horza
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Posted: November 16 2005 at 13:32 |
memowakeman wrote:
I dont know... i think her music isnt a specific kind of prog... not symphonic, not art rock,
Prog related because i think she has a lot of prog influences and a lot of prog passages, but without a deep prog concept, the music is pretty pop too... i dont know and sorry for my english |
your english is fine mucho gusto
Edited by horza
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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RoyalJelly
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Posted: November 16 2005 at 13:34 |
It's definitely in the category we called "Art Rock" back in the
80s...along with Laurie Anderson, Cocteau Twins, Dead Can
Dance, even Peter Gabriel (whose style was a lot like hers at
that time, he even sang with her and shot a video). Today it
may mean something else, I think it's lame to have Mars Volta
there...but then it was clearly the designation.
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horza
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Posted: November 16 2005 at 13:38 |
Good id love Dead Can Dance in as well
why dont we rename "prog related" as "everything else"
thats a joke as in
Edited by horza
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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Posted: November 16 2005 at 13:45 |
Not easy to classify Ms Bush. Personally I'm not too worried as long as
she's here. She doesn't easily fit in any other categories, so
prog-related is as good as any.
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Posted: November 16 2005 at 14:13 |
Yes i love Dead Can Dance too... and for me its prog related too..
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Posted: November 16 2005 at 17:16 |
Does shagging Peter Gabriel mean you are prog related, because her music is way short of anything in the least prog. I'm not a fan of hers, but she has made some good music, but it ain't prog.
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Lorak
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Posted: November 16 2005 at 17:54 |
Instead of prog-related, maybe we should say progish
I believe that Kate Bush is PROGISH.
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jojim
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Posted: November 16 2005 at 18:05 |
Kate Bush is a dream - of a woman and a musician. Nobody of us ever met
her - only her music. And for me she is sexy (for example: red shoes
"Solomon ...") and does what she wants to do - and not the producer of
the label. That's a bit what I feel about Prog. Of course she has also
musical patterns that relate to Prog. But it's not the same like for
instance GENESIS. Kate Bush is following the "song" structure - more or
less.
Prog is not performing a rigid "song" structure. At least not all the time.
And what makes her "progish" is the fact that nealy nobody of my friends and coworkers like her. She is not commercial enough.
Just thoughts.
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horza
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Posted: November 16 2005 at 19:13 |
Progish?? Hmmmm i'd say more progish-related
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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Atkingani
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Posted: November 16 2005 at 21:10 |
People told me that she campaigns for Genesis be awarded The Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame... and yes, she is Prog, related or art or whatever.
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MarkCsigs
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Posted: November 16 2005 at 21:22 |
Yes, Kate Bush is prog. In fact, the only potential complaint
here is that she's being listed as ONLY prog related. Let's look
at this web site's definition of "common elements of progressive rock"
1. Long compositions, sometimes running over 20 minutes, with intricate
melodies and harmonies that require repeated listening to grasp.
Long compositions? No. Although the rest of the description describes her music exactly.
2.
Lyrics that convey intricate and sometimes impenetrable narratives,
covering such themes as science fiction, fantasy, history, religion,
war, love, and madness.
Absolutely Yes.
3.
Concept albums, in which a theme or storyline is explored throughout an entire album in a manner similar to a film or a play.
Hounds of Love. Yes.
4.
Unusual vocal styles and use of multi-part vocal harmonies.
Unarguably, Yes.
5. Prominent use of electronic instrumentation — particularly keyboard
instruments such as the organ, piano, Mellotron, and Moog synthesizer,
in addition to the usual rock combination of electric guitar, bass and
drums.
Again, Yes.
6.
Use of unusual time signatures, scales, or tunings.
Absolutely, Yes.
7.
Inclusion of classical pieces on albums.
No. But then again, outside of ELP I can't think of any Prog act that did this more than even once.
8.
An aesthetic linking the music with visual art
While not as much of a 'slam dunk' as some of the other categories, I would still say Yes, and point to her first four albums ... in particular, Never Forever and The Kick Inside.
That's six out of the eight categories from this site. If you
want to argue against me on points 3 and 8 ... well, that's still 4 out
of 8 and even the most ardent detractor has to admit that's enough for
"Prog Related".
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greenback
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Posted: November 16 2005 at 22:20 |
kate bush is now here, and the next one will be sally oldfield
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