Zeuhl Definition

I'm curious, always curious...

For those (I hope not only french people) who know MAGMA, ESKATON, WEIDORJE, DÜN, and so many others :

"What is your definition for ZEUHL MUSIC"

(I think it is the real first step to work on this category of music)

For me who have no words for the moment I only suggest this picture of the "Old Master Vander" (my old portly gentleman with a little hair but always his wonderfull eyes)

philippe wrote: Check this page for the official definition http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/8366/MAGMA-ARTICL ES-option-Jan-1988.html

yessssssss I know it

but pleeeeeease, forget what it is said about Zeuhl by professionnals and official definitions (mainly wrong or inexact for me)

It is your OWN definition which represents an interrest for me and I hope the work of MAX. Think by yourself

Is it possible ????

bon laisse béton, c'est vraiment sans espoirs

NB : Christian VANDER a donné de très nombreuses définitions différentes qu'il serait inutile pour le moment d'évoquer ici.

J'en ai même une qu'il m'a donné de visu lors d'une discussion que j'ai eu avec lui il y a bien longtemps.

Toujours est-il que ces définitions s'adressent plus à MAGMA qu'au mouvement Zeuhl en général et il me semble difficile dans l'état actuel des choses qu'elles correspondent par exemple à RUINS, DÜN ou autres avatars.

Je sens poindre une immense fatigue

lucas wrote: A thread launched by a french woman for french people only.

Unfortunately yes

But the reason of this thread is MAX....

He suggested me to work on Zeuhl and as I am not alone

Maybe we have to cancel all Zeuhl music here and to swich to a french (or european) site

I hope no !

Pls wake up american people (and some european members...)

I only have ONE Zeuhl album (MDK by Magma). I love it, but not always. I have to be in the mood for it, because sometimes I find it very inaccessible.

For me, the album is very special.  It sounds like a little rock, a little jazz and A LOT OF modern classical music. It sounds very much like minimal music to me (you know, like Steve Reich).

Am I right?

Tauhd Zaïa wrote: Joren wrote: I only have ONE Zeuhl album (MDK by Magma). I love it, but not always. I have to be in the mood for it, because sometimes I find it very inaccessible. This don't surprise me and I feel the same thing. As Zeuhl needs a spiritual approach we have to find good state of mind to ear this music and to appreciate it  (not possible when I wash table-service) Joren wrote: For me, the album is very special.  It sounds like a little rock, a little jazz and A LOT OF modern classical music. It sounds very much like minimal music to me (you know, like Steve Reich). Some people said "Chamber-rock" but I don't have the musical knowledge and competences to discuss this term. Joren wrote: Am I right? Nobody is right or wrong in music (it is my own opinion) Everybody has the right to feel what he wants by himself, it is very personal Playing music and to speak about music is another problem...sometimes a great responsability...

By saying "Am I right?" I meant: "Is Magma influenced by minimal music?" or "does anyone else hear what I mean?"

Joren wrote: By saying "Am I right?" I meant: "Is Magma influenced by minimal music?" or "does anyone else hear what I mean?"

Vander himself says that he was mainly influenced by John Coltrane he has even learned drums with the drummer of John Coltrane.

But this influence is not musical but spiritual : the way to play music (any kind of music).

I would like just to add this :

Most of white people use to ear music with the intellect, brain but Zeuhl music has to be eared with his eart and spiritual mind like black people. That makes all difference

J'ai eu un mauvais experience avec le Zeuhl, et a cette moment je croie que c'est pas vraiment un style de musique qui m'interesse.  Je ne sais pas pourqoi j'ai pris le temps pour dire cela, mais peut-etre je voulais un excuse pour parler le francais

Et je m'excuse, mon francais n'est pas tres bon...