We -need- progressive rap.

I think it actually takes some talent to flow. Prog lyrics now are not what they used to be, unlike the music in prog, the lyrics have not evolved or proggressed. Rap may be the only way that prog can evolve the art of writing lyrics.

If you had a prog band that played good music full of solo's and musical technicality mixed with a lead singer/singers who could just flow words non-stop without hesitation and could make sense with what he is singing then I think prog would finnally progress like it has been waiting for for the past decade or so.

Imagine having new or multiple possible lyrics to a song, lyrics made up on the spot with organ, guitar, bass, and a drummer, wouldn't you think that is good. Prog would even be able to get that mainstream attention it needs if we want it to survive, these days anyone will respect a man that can flow or rap.

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Ty1020 wrote: Lateralus_66 wrote: Is it possible to mix pop and progressive? NO - Then what do you call Asia, Styx, Supertramp, and so on? Is it possible to mix same rap beat and sophisticated time signatures? NO - Why not? A rap song in 7/8 or 5/4 would not only be entirely possible, but would also probably be rather interesting to listen to. I'm sure it's already been done numerous times. Does it have RAP “talented musicians who work with virtuosity”? NO - There are plenty of rap groups who are made up of talented musicians. The Roots, anybody? Another post based on a very limited knowledge of the genre. Next, please. Moreover, you just tried to compare rap with progressive rock. Obviously the two are not immediately compatible; rock is rock and rap is rap. We were talking about the possibility of progressive rap, not progressive rock-rap or anything like that.

Please, go to hassle your dog, and “next”… your ma…

Lateralus_66 wrote: The progressive rap “dream” is an oxymoron.

Key word: Dream

I really don't think MO meant for it to be taken literally, simply an interesting idea

Rust wrote:

I think it actually takes some talent to flow. Prog lyrics now are not what they used to be, unlike the music in prog, the lyrics have not evolved or proggressed. Rap may be the only way that prog can evolve the art of writing lyrics.

I getr your point Rust, probably Lyrics in Prog are noot as good as before, but there's an artistic alternative for good lyrics and it's called poetry, but please don't search it among convicts, Gangstas, marginals, posers and guys with a political agenda making cheap propaganda to gain followers among stupid kids who still believe in fairies?

If you had a prog band that played good music full of solo's and musical technicality mixed with a lead singer/singers who could just flow words non-stop without hesitation and could make sense with what he is singing then I think prog would finnally progress like it has been waiting for for the past decade or so.

Simply wouldn't be Rap anymore, complex melodies and musical technicality is not exactly the strong point of rap, every new song that I listen I get more convinced of that.

Imagine having new or multiple possible lyrics to a song, lyrics made up on the spot with organ, guitar, bass, and a drummer, wouldn't you think that is good. Prog would even be able to get that mainstream attention it needs if we want it to survive, these days anyone will respect a man that can flow or rap.

If Prog has survived Punk, Disco and many other novelties is because it always kept a safe distance from mainstream, and precisely the bands that put Prog in risk are those AOR bands that played in the borderline of Prog' and mainstrem.

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did anyone else check out that beam website?  listening to the samples they offer up from their cd, it's pretty good sh*t.  definitely very spacy.

No you stop.

"nuh uh!"

"yuh huh!"

"nuh uh!"

People say rap can't be mixed with prog because it's not melodic, but mixing two styles doesn't take something away. If you add melody to rap it doesn't suddenly stop becoming rap, and in fact in some ways this simplifies the matter because there are no "trademark" melodic features, so it would be much simpler to combine using the rhythmic elements of rap and the melodic elements of prog.

And where did the idea that prog is melodic, and not repeated anyway? It's only neo prog, symphonic prog (inc Italian), folk prog, art rock and a little prog metal that puts any real emphasis on melody, and long stretches of zeuhl songs are equally as repetitive as many rap beats.

Genesisprog wrote:   I doubt that rap and progressive rock is possible to mix each other.   These are complitely different musics.

 

For goodness sake, that's exactly how progressive music evolved, the hybridisation of different musics. Gawd there is some ultra conservative wank been written above. What happened to the enlightened liberalism of the original proggers?

  Come on !  

  Rap/Hip Hop+prog

  I don`t even want to emagine what crap comes out of it.

  You cant mix prog with some stupid sh... 

  These are two very very different styles.They sound complitely different.

   Personally I dont want that kind of clown music near prog.