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Sorry, I didn't know.

I understand it's a lot of work, but some bands really don't fit under one genre. Think of Frank Zappa.  Maybe giving multiple categories to bands is a better option?
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^ no, that would even be more confusing. Genre per album is the way to go - an THEN perhaps also multiple genres, on the album level.

In the meantime we try to assign a "main genre" to the artist.
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Points: 953 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2005 at 09:16
Originally posted by LuciferJim LuciferJim wrote:

Maybe you should categorize albums, not bands. 


and wich of katatonia would you categorize then?

I think it's ok to add the band and al the work it's done. Gives an before and after view. AND it makes you more careful not to add stupid bands for just 1 album..

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^ Yeah, but you wouldn't add the whole stupid band, only that one Prog album. 

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Originally posted by LuciferJim LuciferJim wrote:

^ Yeah, but you wouldn't add the whole stupid band, only that one Prog album. 

That would not be that easy - maybe for Katatonia, but for other bands endless debates would begin about which of their albums are "worthy" of inclusion and which aren't.
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where do magic pie fit in mike ? they are superb dont you agree ?
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by LuciferJim LuciferJim wrote:

^ Yeah, but you wouldn't add the whole stupid band, only that one Prog album. 

That would not be that easy - maybe for Katatonia, but for other bands endless debates would begin about which of their albums are "worthy" of inclusion and which aren't.

Yeah...it would be a debacle.


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Originally posted by horza horza wrote:

where do magic pie fit in mike ? they are superb dont you agree ?

They are superb,horza.Symphonic prog,though.


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^ I haven't heard Magic Pie yet ... but I heard of them, of course.

But I'll listen to them in a few minutes: http://www.magicpie.net/mp3.htm
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by LuciferJim LuciferJim wrote:

^ Yeah, but you wouldn't add the whole stupid band, only that one Prog album. 

That would not be that easy - maybe for Katatonia, but for other bands endless debates would begin about which of their albums are "worthy" of inclusion and which aren't.



Wich album would you add then?

Brave murder day??

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^ I don't know them well enough ... ask someone else.

But Viva Emptiness is a cool album, and if you compare it to the other bands in the Avant/Post genre you'll find many similarities. It is not as progressive as those, I give you that. 
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ I don't know them well enough ... ask someone else.

But Viva Emptiness is a cool album, and if you compare it to the other bands in the Avant/Post genre you'll find many similarities. It is not as progressive as those, I give you that. 



I've got the whole discography (2 albums missing tough :( ).. I love this band.. It's just isn't .. Add Ved buens ende instead.. for example..

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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

That would not be that easy - maybe for Katatonia, but for other bands endless debates would begin about which of their albums are "worthy" of inclusion and which aren't.



Sounds like fun!

Well, better endless debates than no debates at all.
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Veni Domini shouldn't be labeld as progressive.

One of the signs to a prog band is the use of odd time signatures. I have never hear a song of theirs with one, its all 4/4 and 6/8 (3/4). No 7/8, no 5/8.

If you look at the major prog band, they have them. Yes, Rush, Dream Theater.

Classical sounding synths a prog band does not make.


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Hey Mike, Ive seen the list and its looking great, i take it that since this page is slowing down now you getting close to finnishing your reorginization and could possibly be implementing it soon?
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Originally posted by Brak Brak wrote:

One of the signs to a prog band is the use of odd time signatures. I
have never hear a song of theirs with one, its all 4/4 and 6/8 (3/4).
No 7/8, no 5/8.


Firstly 6/8 has nothing to do with 3/4, and secondly time signatures don't make prog either
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Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

Originally posted by Brak Brak wrote:

One of the signs to a prog band is the use of odd time signatures. I
have never hear a song of theirs with one, its all 4/4 and 6/8 (3/4).
No 7/8, no 5/8.


Firstly 6/8 has nothing to do with 3/4, and secondly time signatures don't make prog either

 

Well strange time signatures is the only thing that makes rush prog.

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Insomnium...should be added to prog archives.

Extreme progressive death metal band, similar to Opeth...

Check out some samples here :

http://www.insomnium.net/releases_since_day.htm 

I recommend "Disengagement" (8m39s), "The Day it All Came Down", "Daughter of the Moon", "Bereavement", "In the Halls of Awaiting" (10m55s)...
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Points: 62 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2005 at 16:07
blind guardian is also prog!!

come on guys wake up!! Not EVERYTHING THAT WE LIKE is prog. i feel that everything is prog now...and if everything is then nothing is...pls be serious..:(
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Originally posted by Aerandir Aerandir wrote:

blind guardian is also prog!!

come on guys wake up!! Not EVERYTHING THAT WE LIKE is prog. i feel that everything is prog now...and if everything is then nothing is...pls be serious..:(

I hope you're not talking about Insomnium?

This excerpt was taken from their biography:

Since the Day It All Came Down - continues the development that the first album began. Songs are more versatile and surprising, progressive influences are ever clearer. Some tracks may even be described as experimental. But the straightforward side of the music hasnīt gone anywhere, since catchy guitar-harmonies, crushing riffs and soothing acoustic interludes are all still there.

 
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