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herbie53
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Posted: November 06 2005 at 15:37 |
Well, I need to say that I'm really surprised !!!
YES is a great band, I have almost 2/3 of his catalogue, but I think their work, in comparison with GENESIS, inferior ! And I always thought that people here on PRA were more genesian styled ! (even because all neo-prog bands follows GENESIS, not YES).
What a surprise !!!
But GENESIS is VERY MUCH BETTER than yes !!!!
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The Miracle
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Posted: November 06 2005 at 15:15 |
Anyway, I voted Genesis a while ago. Just because they appeal to me more. Less showoff soloing, more emotion, more beautiful, calm compositions. But if you actually compare albums judging by musical execution, Yes wins.
Yes > FGTR Time And A Word < Trespass Yes Album > Nursery Cryme Fragile < Foxtrot CTTE > SEBTP TFTO > The Lamb Relayer > TOTT Going For The One > WAW Tormato = ATTWT(never heard the whole thing) Drama > Duke 90125 > Abacrap Big Generator < Shapes Union >> Invisible Touch
Haven't heard later yes albums, but judging by the ratings, they have to beat the horrible WCD and CAS.
Still, Yes wins. Correct me if I'm wrong somewhere
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The Miracle
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Posted: November 06 2005 at 15:03 |
Cygnus X-2 wrote:
ivan_2068 wrote:
269 votes on a Poll???
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Has happened before... for example:
Too many votes
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Yea, but that one had multiple votes
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Cygnus X-2
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Posted: November 06 2005 at 13:37 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
269 votes on a Poll???
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Has happened before... for example:
Too many votes
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: November 06 2005 at 13:31 |
269 votes on a Poll???
Interesting to find same thing happens in every poll where Yes is part, somebody has enough time to log and logout enough times to assure Yes winning.
I believe 4 Genesis albums are in the top 10 of Prog Archives lists and Yes wins every Poll by almost 50%, this is not normal or even logic.
But who cares?
Iván
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Korova
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Posted: November 06 2005 at 10:22 |
I like both, but if I have to choose, I say Yes!
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La Speranza della coscienza è forza
La Speranza del sentimento è schiavitù
La Speranza del corpo è malattia
(G.I. Gurdjieff)
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Plastic Man
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Posted: November 06 2005 at 02:33 |
yes is my favorite band, so i guess ill go with them .
in response to certif1ed, if you understand yes' lyrics, theyre
actually quite amazing. they are sort of in a completley different
dimension from genesis and others.
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Progger
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Posted: November 06 2005 at 02:22 |
YES outclassed Genesis in all departments
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Certif1ed
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Posted: November 03 2005 at 15:53 |
I find Yes monotonous, dull as ditchwater and lyrically painful except for a very few places.
Genesis are more consistently inventive up until and including Duke, IMO.
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NouSomesduSolei
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Posted: November 03 2005 at 14:34 |
Heart sucks
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I am prog
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Posted: November 02 2005 at 19:17 |
Heart > Yes & Genesis
Heart owns all.
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I am prog.
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Wandering Days
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Posted: November 02 2005 at 05:56 |
Genesisprog wrote:
Both went crappy in 80-s
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I agree.
I really like both their earlier stuff though, and YES is diffently the more often played. It is not as tight sounding as Genesis. So YES it is!
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Past all mortals as we, here we can be.
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Wolf Spider
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Posted: November 02 2005 at 03:58 |
Yes!
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Genesisprog
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Posted: November 02 2005 at 03:53 |
MY answer is that they both are greta bands and its difficult to decide which is better
Hard to decide ! Both are prog rock giants.Both bands made supergood music.
Both went crappy in 80-s
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Frank Zappa,Pink Floyd,Yes,Genesis,Rush,King Crimson,Jethro Tull,E.L.P,Rick Wakeman -They have one similarity- I Love Them all !
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Mategra
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Posted: November 02 2005 at 03:44 |
Norbert wrote:
Owner is not as bad as Who Dunnit.
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But "Who Dunnit" is not as bad as "City of Love"
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AngleofRepose
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Posted: November 02 2005 at 02:48 |
Maybe if Yes had more than 1.5 great albums I'd give them more weight.
Genesis on the other hand produced 5 mint albums in sequence
(Nursery Cryme to Trick) and all the while eclipsing their previous effort
with each new record (except Trick).
The best of Yes is truly superb though. Genesis just exemplifies prog in
virtually every facet. And lets not forget that 4 of the top 13 albums
based on reviews are Genesis while only 2 are Yes. (And sure, if you go to
14 you find Relayer...)
Sometimes I hate these threads because they pit two bands I love against
one another and for some reason I feel compelled to side.
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Norbert
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Posted: November 02 2005 at 02:44 |
Both bands are essential, altough both have some questionable albums(to say the least).
Personally, I prefer Yes.
Owner is not as bad as Who Dunnit.
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NouSomesduSolei
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Posted: November 02 2005 at 01:05 |
Im aware that john lennon was alive at those dates, im just saying that it isnt possible for the real beatles to play on this date. And honestly i dont know anything about orchestras. And im tired of argueing over such stupid topics becuase i love both Gensis and Yes.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 23:27 |
Um, so now what your saying is, if your trained to play all types of music your a vituroso? |
You simply don't want to understand, Symphony Orchestras hire the best musicians possible, all haveto be trained and a lot of them are virtuoso in their respective instruments and don't play solos, this Orchestras don't hire mediocre players.
HAHA I dont know if you know but up john lennon was shot. Its kind of hard to play music when your dead. |
Don't try to a wise guy, because you aren't, John Lennon was alive from 1970 to 1980 and The Beatles didn't joined againn, what of course means absolutely nothing.
Peter gabriel is still living, if they wanted to they could go back to making good music.......but they dont |
And what about that????? Are they worst musicians because they don't join again. This only means they don't want to join again, nothing more and nothing else.
Are Derek Shulman, RayShulman and Kerry Minnear bad musicians because Gentle Giant disbanded in 1980?
Peter gabriel left Genesis because of Personal reasons after the Lamb, but he didn't stayed quiet, he made a lot of great albums, Steve Hackett left Genesois because he didn't agree with the path they were taking but has by far the best solo career in Prog'.
But straight up Genesis sold out |
Yes, I'm the furst critic of 3 men Genesis, everyboody knows that, but I believe that in the 70's they made better music than Yes according to my taste.
IMO 90125 and Big Generator are better than most 3 men solos Genesis albums, but still I believe they also sold out during the Rabin era.
But you're saying that only those who play solos are virtuoso this is too much. Maybe you should ask Proglover with whom I had a long and strong argument, he's better trained than me in music but I'm sure he would also laugh about this statement.
Iván
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NouSomesduSolei
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 22:38 |
Um, so now what your saying is, if your trained to play all types of music your a vituroso? You dont make sense and all of those people in that orchestra at one time played solos to get into those esteemed orchestras. HAHA I dont know if you know but up john lennon was shot. Its kind of hard to play music when your dead. Peter gabriel is still living, if they wanted to they could go back to making good music.......but they dont. And dont take this the wrong way, i love Genesis. But straight up Genesis sold out.......i know your just going to say oh oh oh Owner of a Lonley heart...owner of a lonley heart, but the thing is on everyone of those hideous albumns there are good songs and Yes never made straight up love ballads.
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