listeners of progressive rock are evil !

Hey guys, I have nothing against religion, as a matter of facts I'm a religious person who accepts all believes and disbeliefs, everybody has the right to believe in the God they want or not believe in any God at all.

I've prayed in a Sinagogue and showed the most of respects in a Mosque because God is supposed to be tolerant, this guys who pretend they know what GTod wants and believes are the worst enemy of Religion, because they create a reaction in most of the inteligent and tolerant people.

What I hate most is FANATISM, it's stupid to believe in a God who is the supreme form of love and write panflets like this one that spread hate among the people.

When I played drums in a prog' cover (and mediocre ) band, there were groups of fanatics who said the same things about metal fans, but some of my best friends played in metal bands, they used long hair, weared leather, chains, some of them were atheist but none of them was a Satanist or ever showed disrespect for my beliefs, fundamentalism and sectarism are the worst enemies of mankind.

Maybe he's a repentant prok rocker with a serious drug abuse history behind that blamed it all on prog rock! Mmmm yeah, that explains the whole thing."

Probably Maani, inthe drug abuse centers they try to create strong religious beliefs in the patients, because they need something strong enough to belief and have faith in to leave drugs, but sometimes they create monsters who use false religion against the people who doesn't think as them.

Iván

Progressive rock (as a genre) has a lot of different themes (including many extremely christian ones !), and about as many bad bands as any genre, give or take a few.

Christian Rock (as a genre), on the other hand, has a single theme, and has completely failed to supply the world with a single artist worthy of respect.

It's really pretty hard to find religiously Satanic music; with almost no artistic traditions and a miniscule number of adherents, Satanism is a pretty puny force. You can find a lot of musical imagery and references to Satan and demons- most of it in the best judeo-christian tradition. Even evil old Ozzy was a pretty straight arrow in the christian spectrum- check out Black Sabbath's "After Forever", about as missionary a song as anything I've ever heard. What would this 'author' say about Dante, or Goethe, or even the Book of Revelations?

Ah, well. Good thing he's so ridiculous- makes it easy to spot them before they cause any real trouble :)

richardh wrote: Until people learn to think for themselves then the world will remain the terrible mess it is.Religion is one of the worse things on the planet in stopping the flow of induvidual thought.Pink Floyd got it right with 'Sheep' as did Genesis with 'Carpet Crawlers' and ELP with 'The Only Way'.These are my scriptures and prog rock is my religion.

! Heard the latest from the vatican (as reported by the BBC's Panarama and World service)?. Apparently condoms have holes in them and actually contribute to the spread of aids. The scientific community are up in arms about it, and the poor man whose research has been held up as "proof" of this claim has had to come foreward to explain that he has been taken grossly out of context by a group whose only motive is the promotion of their own archaic dogma. If I want advice on my sex life, the last person I would turn to is a pensioner who claims to have lead a life of celibacy (if you discount all those choir boys that is.) One African catholic woman interviewed for Panorama exclaimed that if she caught aids and died, at least she wouldn't go to hell for using a condom! Her european priest had told her this!! Religion is nothing more than the politics of superstition and free thinkers should disregard it, as they (Capernicus, Galileo, Newton, Darwin, etc.) have always had to do. 

ps. Please don't attack me for this view, I realise a lot of good humanitarian work is the direct result of strongly (albeit  wrongly) held religious convictions. If you need a club as a vehicle for your desire to do good, then far be it from me to stop you joining one.

James Lee wrote: Christian Rock (as a genre), on the other hand, has a single theme, and has completely failed to supply the world with a single artist worthy of respect.

How about Cliff Richard?

/ducks and runs away...

Aquarius wrote: The part about fans feeling the urge to find new progalbums and to spend lots of money is true however.

Yes, it's true.

Other than that, i think as Land said, this guy is just blaming drugs on progressive rock, he is a jerk, musc is music, you always have the chiose to do whatever you want, music just doesnt tell you "do drugs", you make the decisions yourself.

That Jeremiah needs professional help

DoomHammer wrote: richardh wrote: Until people learn to think for themselves then the world will remain the terrible mess it is. Religion is one of the worse things on the planet in stopping the flow of induvidual thought. of course not . religion improve the individual thinking, in fact religion help putting human thoughts on the right track. And you can never prove that a religious person could have had a better life or better thoughts if he were an anti religion one. i wont argue more than that, we dont need another fight in this forum because of misunderstandings, we dont want to lose another one like peter rideout I think this thread should be closed

Even though my thinking line is the same of Richard and Emdiar, I remember my former father-in-law words: "You'll never agree about religion, politics and football; avoid these topics". However, Doom, we can talk about these points respectfully (as I said in another thread) and everybody can learn to know more. In the other hand, this is a music forum, and it's better to fight about music and musicians . 

All:

First, James' comment that "Christian Rock (as a genre), on the other hand, has ...completely failed to supply the world with a single artist worthy of respect' is borne of an obviously complete lack of knowledge of the genre.  I don't say this with denigration or judgment, simply as observation.  Since James' views (which he is entitled to) prevent him from having much (if anything) to do with the genre of Christian music, it is hard to see how he can argue such a point.

In fact, Contemporary Christian Music (CCM) has given us - i.e., those who listen to it and know something about it as a genre - quite a few artists worthy of respect (to say nothing of great music).  I will name only Amy Grant, DC Talk, Richard Mullins, Keith Green and Carolyn Arends for now, but there are many, many others.

One of the problems is that those who do not know any better simply lump all Christians into a little box that includes the Christian Right (which, like the Moral Majority before it, is neither...) and conservative Christians who monopolize the "public eye" (i.e., the media "voice" of "Christianity).

This would be offensive if it were not borne of ignorance.  Not every Christian is a conservative Christian, a fundamentalist, or a member of the so-called Christian Right.  It might surprise you to know that the "Christian Right" actually represents a minority (and arguably a small one) of the Christian population of the U.S.  Many, if not most, "Christians" consider the "Christian Right" narrow, unloving, unforgiving, and ultimately "un-Christian."

Thus, before you simply lump every Christian into a neat little box, consider that doing so is just as bad as stereotyping any race, creed, religion, etc.

Re progrock, someone was bright enough to point out that Neal Morse is a devout Christian.  Need I add that Rick Wakeman is as well?  And that there are, in fact, quite a few devout Christians (and Jews and Muslims, etc.) in prog-rock?  Just because they may not "wear it on their sleeves" - i.e., just because you are not aware of it - does not mean they are not out there.  Does that mean you will stop listening to them - because they believe in God and Christ and the Scriptures?  Does their faith "lower" them in your eyes - make you think less of them or have less respect and admiration for what they have contributed to music?  In this regard, I cannot help but be shocked at the level of ignorance - and even outright hatred or disdain - so many of you have.

A number of you have suggested to me by PM that this thread be closed because it has clearly devolved into an anti-religious (and specifically anti-Christian) screed.  And I am strongly tempted to do so: not because I myself am a Christian, but because there is no place for "personal invective" - or even invective against a particular group - in any thread.

You may remember, after our long discussion on civility, that I asked that if threads like this (i.e., clearly controversial ones) were going to be open, that you contact me and allow me to add a "warning" at the beginning so that everyone would know in advance what they were getting into.  I am happy that, until now, there has been no reason to do so on any thread.

However, if this thread is going to continue on its current path, I will move it to another location and post an" introduction" with a warning that participants "enter at their own risk."  Either that, or the level of discourse here can be raised beyond where it currently stands.

Please give this some thought.

Peace.

landberkdoten wrote: threefates wrote: I think thats only true about Pink Floyd fans... Hey! Watch your mouth young lady! A true Floydian fan here!

No problem Land, pretty big Floyd fan here too... just to prove it , I recently flew over to London from NYC just to hear Dave Gilmour play 2 songs (not even Floyd)  at that Jools Holland & Friends show at RAH... I'm thinking of doing that again when Dave plays at the Fender 50th Anniv. bash at Wembley in Sept.