Yes Vs Genesis

ivan_2068 wrote: Stonebeard wrote: Nobody from Genesis was a virtuoso What about Steve Hackett? Tony Banks, a brilliant performer and better wongwritter than any Yes member? Stonebeard wrote: Each had their silly-but-brilliant songs ("I've Seen All Good People," "Return if the Giant Hogweed") Giant Hogweed silly????? Have you listened the lyrics and read history? Peter Gabriel is IMO the best lyricist ever, nobody could tell complete stories that made sense of almost about anything. No Yes lyric makes sense, except maybe Don't Kill the Whale which is not one of their most inspired songs. Stonebeard wrote: As for overall relevance, Yes wins hands down I haven't heard of any Prog band except Genesis that has been the fundamental base of any Prog Sub-genre. Without Genesis there's no Neo Prog. And about playing together yet, that's not relevance, that's enduring, but Rolling Stones lasted longer, so what does that mean? Iván

Listen, Ivan. I know you're biased towards Genesis. I love both bands and I stil contend that Yes is better, on a musical level and on an emotional level. OK, I meant endurance, not relevance. Yes has endured longer than Genesis and is still making good albums. In terms of actual relevance, Genesis may win that one.

I cannot believe people can say that without this band, there would be no so-and-so. In the case of Marillion, Genesis was an influence, but I believe the band had enough other influences to still exist and make similar music.

Pylo wrote: GENESIS ! Quite simple : Genesis wins 3 masterpieces to 1 (Foxtrot+Selling England+The Lamb / Close to the edge) Lack of charism from Jon Anderson on stage compared with Peter Gabriel, and even with Phil Collins

  silly me I was one of those who agreed that '71 - '77 Yes was an essential part of ANY  prog collection.  In my book that is 7 albums.


as far as charisma, if Jon Anderson trapsed around on stage in ridiculous costumes I'd bet he'd be as charismatic. Different focuses 'live' , you went to see Yes to see Wakeman, Squire, and Howe do their instrumental magic.  You went to Genesis to see Gabriel do his theatrical magic.

I can't believe the amount of Yes "haters" on here. I completely love Genesis, they are the only prog rock band that you could argue is better then Yes. But Genesis is not better than Yes. Some of the people that have commented on this topic have made just stupid points. Saying that Anderson and Yes are emotionless is just rediculas. These people obviously never have sat at a Yes Show while Howe is sitting with the slide guitar and anderson pouring his heart into "soon".  On the contrary to what most of the people say I think Yes music is more emotional. This is shown by the amazing solos. As far as musicianship, Genesis doesnt hold a candle to Yes.  But im not going to just bable on, obvisously everyone has a good music taste if were argueing about this. Thanks,Mike

NouSomesduSolei wrote: I can't believe the amount of Yes "haters" on here. I completely love Genesis, they are the only prog rock band that you could argue is better then Yes. But Genesis is not better than Yes. Some of the people that have commented on this topic have made just stupid points. Saying that Anderson and Yes are emotionless is just rediculas. These people obviously never have sat at a Yes Show while Howe is sitting with the slide guitar and anderson pouring his heart into "soon".  On the contrary to what most of the people say I think Yes music is more emotional. This is shown by the amazing solos. As far as musicianship, Genesis doesnt hold a candle to Yes.  But im not going to just bable on, obvisously everyone has a good music taste if were argueing about this. Thanks,Mike

nice post!

 

  Hard question. Both are great in different ways and a bit neck and neck. But the Lamb always trounced that abominable Tales so it is Genesis for me

Losendos wrote:     Hard question. Both are great in different ways and a bit neck and neck. But the Lamb always trounced that abominable Tales so it is Genesis for me

ah.... but Tales was light years, creativity, above anything Genesis dared attempt.  Serious bonus points for the Yes men for the balls to attempt an album like that, being one of the top  groups in the world at that point.  Stuff like that just doesn't happen anymore. Could have been a career killer in less capable hands, ended up being a top 10 album on both sides of the Atlantic, and an album that still generates debate today. What else should a great world of 'art' do?  It provokes thoughts and emotions, both pro and con. Thoughts and emotions that still resonate 30 years later.  Honestly probably a greater album than anything Genesis ever did.

BTW I think Tales is a fabulous album. (though it took me a long while to fully appreciate it)

stonebeard wrote: ivan_2068 wrote: Stonebeard wrote: Nobody from Genesis was a virtuoso What about Steve Hackett? Tony Banks, a brilliant performer and better wongwritter than any Yes member? Stonebeard wrote: Each had their silly-but-brilliant songs ("I've Seen All Good People," "Return if the Giant Hogweed") Giant Hogweed silly????? Have you listened the lyrics and read history? Peter Gabriel is IMO the best lyricist ever, nobody could tell complete stories that made sense of almost about anything. No Yes lyric makes sense, except maybe Don't Kill the Whale which is not one of their most inspired songs. Stonebeard wrote: As for overall relevance, Yes wins hands down I haven't heard of any Prog band except Genesis that has been the fundamental base of any Prog Sub-genre. Without Genesis there's no Neo Prog. And about playing together yet, that's not relevance, that's enduring, but Rolling Stones lasted longer, so what does that mean? Iván   Listen, Ivan. I know you're biased towards Genesis. I love both bands and I stil contend that Yes is better, on a musical level and on an emotional level. OK, I meant endurance, not relevance. Yes has endured longer than Genesis and is still making good albums. In terms of actual relevance, Genesis may win that one. I cannot believe people can say that without this band, there would be no so-and-so. In the case of Marillion, Genesis was an influence, but I believe the band had enough other influences to still exist and make similar music.

I really don't believe that a movement like Neo Prog would have existed as we know it without Genesis as Prog' would never existed as we know it without the (non Prog') influence of The Beatles.

I'm not talking about Marillion, I really find many Neo Prog' bands that sound even closer to Genesis i than Marillion including Pendragon, the birth of Neo Prog was based mostly in the peculiar sound and style of the "Non vuirtuoso" (in your words), Tony Banks.

What I can't believe is that some people try to deny the quality and virtuosism of Genesis musicians to prove how great Yes was:

Steve Hackett is at least in thesame level of Steve Howe, with the difference that he has better solo career (in quality and number) than Steve Howe.

Tony Banks is a virtuoso keyboardist, maybe he's not spectacular and a showman, but his style is solid (As his classical formation) and he's far a better composer than any other keyboardist in the market. He doesn't have a solid solo career, but no Yes keyboardist created so much music for their band than Tony Banks did for Genesis.

I'm a fan but not blind I always said that Rutherford is not in the level of Squire and that Peter Gabriel doesn't have the most natural gifted voice (Even when he's one of the greatest vocalist despite that problem with the high ranges).

I always stated that Bruford is one of my favorite drummers (Behind Phil Ehart) but Phil Collins is right there, it's only a matter of personal tastes.

So, I would never sat Yes are a bunch of untaleted guys, because even though is not among my top 10 artists, I recognize is a great band and made a lot of great music.

Iván

stonebeard wrote: ivan_2068 wrote: Stonebeard wrote: Nobody from Genesis was a virtuoso[/ quote] What about Steve Hackett? Tony Banks, a brilliant performer and better wongwritter than any Yes member? Stonebeard wrote: Each had their silly-but-brilliant songs ("I've Seen All Good People," "Return if the Giant Hogweed") Giant Hogweed silly????? Have you listened the lyrics and read history? Peter Gabriel is IMO the best lyricist ever, nobody could tell complete stories that made sense of almost about anything. No Yes lyric makes sense, except maybe Don't Kill the Whale which is not one of their most inspired songs. Stonebeard wrote:[quote]As for overall relevance, Yes wins hands down I haven't heard of any Prog band except Genesis that has been the fundamental base of any Prog Sub-genre. Without Genesis there's no Neo Prog. And about playing together yet, that's not relevance, that's enduring, but Rolling Stones lasted longer, so what does that mean? Iván   Listen, Ivan. I know you're biased towards Genesis. I love both bands and I stil contend that Yes is better, on a musical level and on an emotional level. OK, I meant endurance, not relevance. Yes has endured longer than Genesis and is still making good albums. In terms of actual relevance, Genesis may win that one. I cannot believe people can say that without this band, there would be no so-and-so. In the case of Marillion, Genesis was an influence, but I believe the band had enough other influences to still exist and make similar music.

Now I love both Yes and Genesis (though Genesis is my fav), but I don't
see Yes being on a higher emotional level than Genesis at all. I find
Genesis to be the most emotional band out there (though it's my
opinion.)

W.Chuck wrote: They are both on the same level, both have their advantages and disadvantages...

Good point as someone said man by man they are almost in the same level, and both bands made great music. I heard and loved Runabout or You's is no Disgrace before I even knew Genesis existed.

I still  love Yes music, someone said on other thread that I think Close to the Edge has no structure, well I never said something remotely similar, Yes music is wonderful until Relayer (IMO), but I can't simply stand Jon Anderson's voice, that's my only problem with Yes and that's a matter of taste.

Iván

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micky wrote: NouSomesduSolei wrote: I can't believe the amount of Yes "haters" on here. I completely love Genesis, they are the only prog rock band that you could argue is better then Yes. But Genesis is not better than Yes. Some of the people that have commented on this topic have made just stupid points. Saying that Anderson and Yes are emotionless is just rediculas. These people obviously never have sat at a Yes Show while Howe is sitting with the slide guitar and anderson pouring his heart into "soon".  On the contrary to what most of the people say I think Yes music is more emotional. This is shown by the amazing solos. As far as musicianship, Genesis doesnt hold a candle to Yes.  But im not going to just bable on, obvisously everyone has a good music taste if were argueing about this. Thanks,Mike nice post!

Agreed!  Stunning debut NouSomes!  And for the record, there really aren't that many Yes bashers around here.  It's just all coming out in this one thread.