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 Posted: October 30 2005 at 21:03 |
Hard question. Both are great in different ways and a bit neck and neck. But the Lamb always trounced that abominable Tales so it is Genesis for me
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Harold Dupont
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Posted: October 30 2005 at 20:37 |
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Well, I think that shouldn't even be a question... Comparing Yes to Genesis is like comparing Thick as a Brick to Aqualung... Both are good, but there's a major difference...
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Posted: October 30 2005 at 20:29 |
 NouSomesduSolei wrote:
I can't believe the amount of Yes "haters" on
here. I completely love Genesis, they are the only prog rock band that
you could argue is better then Yes. But Genesis is not better than Yes.
Some of the people that have commented on this topic have made just
stupid points. Saying that Anderson and Yes are emotionless is just
rediculas. These people obviously never have sat at a Yes Show while
Howe is sitting with the slide guitar and anderson pouring his heart
into "soon". On the contrary to what most of the people say I
think Yes music is more emotional. This is shown by the amazing solos.
As far as musicianship, Genesis doesnt hold a candle to Yes. But
im not going to just bable on, obvisously everyone has a good music
taste if were argueing about this. Thanks,Mike |
nice post!
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Posted: October 30 2005 at 20:28 |
stonebeard wrote:
Pylo wrote:
GENESIS !
Quite simple :
- Genesis wins 3 masterpieces to 1 (Foxtrot+Selling England+The Lamb / Close to the edge)
- Lack of charism from Jon Anderson on stage compared with Peter Gabriel, and even with Phil Collins
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Watch Live at the House of Blues and try to tell me that again. |
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NouSomesduSolei
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Posted: October 30 2005 at 20:08 |
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I can't believe the amount of Yes "haters" on here. I completely love Genesis, they are the only prog rock band that you could argue is better then Yes. But Genesis is not better than Yes. Some of the people that have commented on this topic have made just stupid points. Saying that Anderson and Yes are emotionless is just rediculas. These people obviously never have sat at a Yes Show while Howe is sitting with the slide guitar and anderson pouring his heart into "soon". On the contrary to what most of the people say I think Yes music is more emotional. This is shown by the amazing solos. As far as musicianship, Genesis doesnt hold a candle to Yes. But im not going to just bable on, obvisously everyone has a good music taste if were argueing about this. Thanks,Mike
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Posted: October 30 2005 at 20:07 |
Pylo wrote:
GENESIS !
Quite simple :
- Genesis wins 3 masterpieces to 1 (Foxtrot+Selling England+The Lamb / Close to the edge)
- Lack of charism from Jon Anderson on stage compared with Peter Gabriel, and even with Phil Collins
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Watch Live at the House of Blues and try to tell me that again.
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micky
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Posted: October 30 2005 at 19:16 |
Pylo wrote:
GENESIS !
Quite simple :
- Genesis wins 3 masterpieces to 1 (Foxtrot+Selling England+The Lamb / Close to the edge)
- Lack of charism from Jon Anderson on stage compared with Peter Gabriel, and even with Phil Collins
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 silly me I was one of those who
agreed that '71 - '77 Yes was an essential part of ANY prog
collection. In my book that is 7 albums. 
as far as charisma, if Jon Anderson trapsed around on stage in
ridiculous costumes I'd bet he'd be as charismatic. Different focuses
'live' , you went to see Yes to see Wakeman, Squire, and Howe do their
instrumental magic. You went to Genesis to see Gabriel do his
theatrical magic.
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Pylo
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Posted: October 30 2005 at 18:39 |
GENESIS !
Quite simple :
- Genesis wins 3 masterpieces to 1 (Foxtrot+Selling England+The Lamb / Close to the edge)
- Lack of charism from Jon Anderson on stage compared with Peter Gabriel, and even with Phil Collins
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stonebeard
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Posted: October 30 2005 at 17:53 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
Stonebeard wrote:
| Nobody from Genesis was a virtuoso |
What about Steve Hackett? Tony Banks, a brilliant performer and better wongwritter than any Yes member?
Stonebeard wrote:
| Each had their silly-but-brilliant songs ("I've Seen All Good People," "Return if the Giant Hogweed") |
Giant Hogweed silly????? Have you listened the lyrics and read history? Peter Gabriel is IMO the best lyricist ever, nobody could tell complete stories that made sense of almost about anything.
No Yes lyric makes sense, except maybe Don't Kill the Whale which is not one of their most inspired songs.
Stonebeard wrote:
| As for overall relevance, Yes wins hands down |
I haven't heard of any Prog band except Genesis that has been the fundamental base of any Prog Sub-genre. Without Genesis there's no Neo Prog.
And about playing together yet, that's not relevance, that's enduring, but Rolling Stones lasted longer, so what does that mean?
Iván
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Listen, Ivan. I know you're biased towards Genesis. I love both bands and I stil contend that Yes is better, on a musical level and on an emotional level. OK, I meant endurance, not relevance. Yes has endured longer than Genesis and is still making good albums. In terms of actual relevance, Genesis may win that one.
I cannot believe people can say that without this band, there would be no so-and-so. In the case of Marillion, Genesis was an influence, but I believe the band had enough other influences to still exist and make similar music.
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Charles
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Posted: October 30 2005 at 17:44 |
Fritha wrote:
Finally, IMO Genesis never made a practically perfect prog record. Yes did. |
Genesis made three in a row .... Those albums were Foxtrot, Selling England By The Pound and The Lamb Lies down On Broadway......
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G'day
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Posted: October 30 2005 at 17:25 |
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Charles
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Posted: October 30 2005 at 17:22 |
Wow! I have read this on bothe the Genesis and the Yes forum and you knew it was a matter of time before this thread would pop up here....
I did not check to see if there were any other similar threads....
Yes was the first true progressive rock band that I got into, but all of that change once I heard Genesis's Second's Out
It has been mentioned, and sometimes we might not want to admit it, but as musicians the Fragile/Close To the Edge line-up were a line-up of five virtuosos, while the classic Genesis line-up took time gel together as musicians...
Anderson and Gabriel nearly cancel out each other, but Gabriel still comes out on top... Only Hammill's lyrics top Gabriel...
Howe VS Hackett... Howe's diversity on strings are matched by Hackett, but Howe's mastery of vast musical styles are on another level.... Classical guitar slight edge towards Hackett...
Rutherford VS Squire... Squire's tone and fluidity has been an influence on many bassists in both the prog and metal genre, but how many times can one person try to improve on the same ole' boring "The Fish" solo? Mike Rutherford sadly is often compared to Chris and alway comes away on the losing edge, but Mike when it comes to his bass abilities is anything but a slouch... One of the best compliments I ever read about Mike's bass playing was from an unlikely source, whom said that listening Mike's bass playing is like listening to Paul McCartney during his day in Beatles.... Excellent rythymic bassist and much more soulful than any of his peers....
Banks VS Wakeman... Wakeman... a master of many keyboards, great improvisor and could direct music like very few only bettered by Emerson skill wise.... Tony Banks might be the greatest songwriter of the Golden Age of Progressive rock, and arguably the most influential keyboardist from that era.....
Bruford VS Collins.. Collins started out as a devoted Yes fan and worshipped Bill Bruford's polyrythymic drumming, but as Collins' music taste expanded (thanks to Bill) Collins drumming evolved into a wonder that even he nowadays can't physically match.... Bill is obviously Prog's most influential drummer, but Phil is the more assertive style wise...
It's a shame that Peter left as his lyrical vision was getting better and by the time Steve was on the verge of leaving Genesis, his guitar tone was expanding and his improvisational skills were just about to take Genesis to another level... What Genesis could not match Yes in musical skills, Yes were no match for Genesis lyrical and songwriting abilities....
Both Genesis and Yes are considered the benchmarks (no disrespect to ELP, Gentle Giant, Tull and Floyd fans) but the influence Genesis had on bands that did not even venture into the prog realm is still staggering....
If I had to pick between both bands, Genesis wins hands down from FGTR all the way to CAS while post 90125 Yes bores me to tears.....
Charles
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Posted: October 30 2005 at 16:37 |
Stonebeard wrote:
| Nobody from Genesis was a virtuoso |
What about Steve Hackett? Tony Banks, a brilliant performer and better wongwritter than any Yes member?
Stonebeard wrote:
| Each had their silly-but-brilliant songs ("I've Seen All Good People," "Return if the Giant Hogweed") |
Giant Hogweed silly????? Have you listened the lyrics and read history? Peter Gabriel is IMO the best lyricist ever, nobody could tell complete stories that made sense of almost about anything.
No Yes lyric makes sense, except maybe Don't Kill the Whale which is not one of their most inspired songs.
Stonebeard wrote:
| As for overall relevance, Yes wins hands down |
I haven't heard of any Prog band except Genesis that has been the fundamental base of any Prog Sub-genre. Without Genesis there's no Neo Prog.
And about playing together yet, that's not relevance, that's enduring, but Rolling Stones lasted longer, so what does that mean?
Iván
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Posted: October 30 2005 at 16:07 |
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Genesis at its peak (70-77) were better than Yes at its peak
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Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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stonebeard
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Posted: October 30 2005 at 13:55 |
As for songwriting, Yes and Genesis were about the same. Each had their silly-but-brilliant songs ("I've Seen All Good People," "Return if the Giant Hogweed") and each had amazing, conceptual masterpieces ("Close to the Edge," "Supper's Ready").
As for musicianship, Yes wins hands down. Nobody from Genesis was a virtuoso. Though they could play their instruments and write good songs, they by no means matched the Howe-Squire-Wakeman line-up.
As for the singing, it's a matter of taste. Gabriel could emulate many styles and varieties of voices for emotional effect, wheras Anderson could really hit the high notes and sustain a note well. I personally give the advantage to Yes, seeing how Phil Collions was trying to be exactly the same as Gabriel. Now, you may call me a hypocrite, for that is eaxtly what Trevor Horn did for Drama. The difference is that the Horn era of Yes was a lot shorter than the Collins era of Genesis.
As for overall relevance, Yes wins hands down. They are still making great music today. And we all know what happened to Genesis. Calling all Stations
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Posted: October 30 2005 at 13:53 |
Genesis
keep in mind my band list is
- Genesis (without a doubt)
- Yes
- GG
- Tull
aftre that who knows
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BePinkTheater
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Posted: October 30 2005 at 11:41 |
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YES by far...
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I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
-Stone Beard
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Posted: October 30 2005 at 10:33 |
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Yes all the way. I've got a special spot in my heart for them. Then again I've
only heard Trespass by Genesis. But this is where I stand. |
oh wow, do yourself a big favor and check out, at the very least, Foxtrot and Selling England by the Pound. Prog essentials.
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Posted: October 30 2005 at 09:15 |
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Yes, by one million miles.
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Posted: October 30 2005 at 08:42 |
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Yes all the way. I've got a special spot in my heart for them. Then again I've
only heard Trespass by Genesis. But this is where I stand.
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