Gabriel’s solo career-Prog or not?

yargh wrote: I was with you until you brought up "In Your Eyes," .  I find that one to be really banal. But yeah -- "prog" is just a genre.  It is not a "highter" form of music, and there can be music that is highly experimental and creative that is not considered part of prog.

 About "in your eyes",  It´s a matter of taste I guess. The studio album could be liked or not. I donpt blame you. But I really recommend you to listen to it live from his last double live album (don´t remember the name). If it´s "In your eyes" it really doesn´t matter, it could even be another song...The real deal here is the passion, that implicit energy they put out.

I was with you until you brought up "In Your Eyes," .  I find that one to be really banal.

But yeah -- "prog" is just a genre.  It is not a "highter" form of music, and there can be music that is highly experimental and creative that is not considered part of prog.     

 I don´t care if Gabriel´s music is prog or not. It is still very well crafted music. In contrast to your feelings towards recent albums, I find these albums better than previous. I sure like songs like "Intruder", "San jacinto", "here comes the flood" and "The rythm of the heat"...and some others I don´t remember right now. Still, there are way better and more mature and concrete ideas in recent albums by Gabriel. With a better and more solid sound, even from "SO". man ¡¡. "In your eyes" and "red rain" are fantastic. ¡¡...

 Well, that´s just my opinion. I think Phil Collins, despite everyones´ bad comments about him, made 4 great albums. ...Forget about being prog or not. "Face value" has many songs with great instrumentation with jazz influences, "In the air tonight" is an absolute classic and is full of originality. The second album still has at least some 4 creative and memorable songs, plus the pop songs here are fresh, full of conviction, energic and entertaining. "no jacket required" the third album is one of the best and better crafted pop albums in history. Remember, POP is not meant to be music for the brain, is music to entertain and present certain moods, this album is great at that. Making good pop like that is way more difficult than making lousy Prog like later Caravan´s, Later CAN´s, Epidarius, Many Magmas´, and many more in plain 70´s. (Yeah ¡¡, bring it on, I´m waiting for this site´s stubborn blind-love-for-prog-arguments). his 4th. album "But seriously" has great compositions and arrangements. It really is a well done album. Has it´s own personality and style, was made with conviction, is fresh and entertaining throughout.

 Does it need anything else to be good music?...to be prog?,...even if it is boring, uncompromised, repetitive, monotonuos, not original prog like the one by the bands mentioned above?.

 Don´t worry about Gabriel´s later music being prog or not. ...Making a comparison, Gabriel´s music is a full lenght Mozart concert compared to Waters´ "musicless" solo albums.

 Listen to "In your eyes" live. Man¡¡, that´s passion, conviction, joy, excitement ¡¡. I love that song played live, it just makes me cry listening to these musicians placing their heart out for the listeners. They can´t hide their joy for sharing that moment with each other. That´s what is important, not being prog just for the sake of being prog.    

 

 

Edited by eduardossc

It started with progressive reminiscences, especially in the minimalist collaboration with Fripp. But since the release of the (awfull for me) "So", it was only MTV dance musak. With "Up", we have a slight come back to progressive intend but still not remarkable.

Not all Of Peters work is prog but is all great.I feel the early stuff produced by Robert Fripp is very prog but just likr Phill when he started thinking with his dick things went pop.

Of course Peter Gabriel's solo efforts are
Progressive Rock, early on the 80's he was
re-defining progressive rock mixing English Prog
with Kosmiche Musik styles. His later efforts drifted
more into the World Music scene.

Peter Gabriel -3 was a landmark in Progressive
Rock and should be recognized as such.
Mid period Kraan could be a precursor to Gabriels
efforts blending Kosmiche with English and
American Prog styles.

If PROG ROCK aint progressing it aint Progressive
Rock. These artists are much more intellectually
stimulating than almost any PORG METAL or NANO
PROG!

Yes, NIN early on was Progressive Rock but it had
been relabeled as Industrial Pop or something else
by the early 90's. Messing progressive sensibility
with melodic industrial electronics. Rockers today
wouldnt know progressive rock if it laid down in front
of them. Depeche Mode in the early 90's again,
european style eletronica with abstract or dark
melodic lyrics.

Much more progressive than rehashed, semi
talented dream boys(with a few new studio tricks to
flower it up) wishing to be their idols and
producing weak imitations.    

THE TERM PROGRESSIVE ROCK CANNOT AND
SHOULD NOT BE DEFINED BY SOME EARLY 70'S
PSYCHEDELIC ELECTRONIC ROCK MOVEMENT IN
ENGLAND AND SOME PANTYWAIST TRIO FROM
CANADA SINGING ABOUT FAIRY TALES. YOUR
TRAPPIING YOUR BRAIN IN A
GOVERNMENT/RECORD INDUSTRY NOOSE!

imo

Edited by DallasBryan

You all know I can't admire more Gabriel Genesis, but don't believe most of his work after Genesis (Maybe even after PG1 and 2) is Progressive.

The only thing that matters for me in this case is that it's quality music (Except OVO) despite the genre, still love most of his work.

Iván

Edited by ivan_2068

He's an arty feller, all right, but I must admit he's in male solo artiste section of my collection, while my Steve Hackett albums (and Rick Wakeman and Robert Wyatt for that matter) are in my prog section ...

Gianthogweed wrote: His new album sounds somewhat like NIN.  Then again, I think some of Trent Reznor's albums belong here too.

I agree.  On both points.  Especially The Downward Spiral and The Fragile.

I'm listening to Peter Gabriel '3' and it defintely has a progressive feel.  But like everyone else has said, I don't think he can comfortably fit under prog rock.

yes gabriel is a prog related music.

the best disc of gabriel is SO ,this album is pop/progressive.