Prog Metal: Organizing the categories

maidenrulez wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: maidenrulez wrote: Well if ye need help organizing genres on albums and such ye know who to call Right now I have enough trouble categorizing the prog metal bands ... any feedback is welcome! Well you could have had symphonic prog wich is stuff like Dream theater, POS and Symphony X And for the bands wich is in reality more power metallish, with more simpler song structures( A metal versiom of neo-prog?) stuff you could have made up one genre And for the bands that are more into death/doom/black metal stuff you could have had one genre And for the more avante garde bands you could have one genre Thats all ye need...4 genres basically...i dont have any good names for them however

I have 4 genres, and they're just as you describe them. With the exception that Symphony X are in the Power genre, and that the Avant-Garde genre also contains "unusual" bands.

MikeEnRegalia wrote: maidenrulez wrote: Well if ye need help organizing genres on albums and such ye know who to call Right now I have enough trouble categorizing the prog metal bands ... any feedback is welcome!

Well you could have had symphonic prog wich is stuff like Dream theater, POS and Symphony X

And for the bands wich is in reality more power metallish, with more simpler song structures( A metal versiom of neo-prog?) stuff you could have made up one genre

And for the bands that are more into death/doom/black metal stuff you could have had one genre

And for the more avante garde bands you could have one genre

Thats all ye need...4 genres basically...i dont have any good names for them however

maidenrulez wrote: Well if ye need help organizing genres on albums and such ye know who to call

Right now I have enough trouble categorizing the prog metal bands ... any feedback is welcome!

I will try to listen to every bit of feedback ... but in the end I will decide what's best and move on, because otherwise we might as well continue arguing forever.

BTW: It's only categories ... people are free to ignore them anyway. On the frontpage all that will change is the genre displayed beneath the album cover.

MikeEnRegalia wrote: maidenrulez wrote: sleeper wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: ^ it would not be that much work - the albums could be categorized automatically by the artist/band genre, so we would only have to take care of the "exceptions". I think the big problem would be that you would get a lot of arguments over what albums go where as reading posts and reviews on this site it seems clear that there is a lot of disagreement over sum bands and some of their albums inparticiular. Well i dont think there are many that disagree over the musical styles an album touches, Atleast as long as the person doing the work har clear definitons of the genres and as long as it does not get too specific That's exactly the problem. There is no consensus, no "clear" definition of the genres, and both genres on album levels or applying multiple genres would mean to get more specific.

Well specific i meant forexample describing it as metal rather than get in to Death/black/white/grind/doom etc etc...and so...there will ofcourse be someone that disagrees but atleast the generall mass would be able to agree that JT has elements of Folk,fusion, symphnic or metal forexample and what Tull albums wich has the clearest influences from these respective genres

sleeper wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: ^ it would not be that much work - the albums could be categorized automatically by the artist/band genre, so we would only have to take care of the "exceptions". I think the big problem would be that you would get a lot of arguments over what albums go where as reading posts and reviews on this site it seems clear that there is a lot of disagreement over sum bands and some of their albums inparticiular.

Well i dont think there are many that disagree over the musical styles an album touches, Atleast as long as the person doing the work har clear definitons of the genres and as long as it does not get too specific

MikeEnRegalia wrote: ^ it would not be that much work - the albums could be categorized automatically by the artist/band genre, so we would only have to take care of the "exceptions".

I think the big problem would be that you would get a lot of arguments over what albums go where as reading posts and reviews on this site it seems clear that there is a lot of disagreement over sum bands and some of their albums inparticiular.

sleeper wrote: I know it would be considerably harder to do but i did like Mikes idea of classifying albums instead of bands. That would unfortunatly mean a lot of work as thats tens of thousends of albums from the bands that are currently on this site. Maybe the admin team could get all the collaberaters to helpwith this (i would ask to join in but i dont know enough albums to rearly make any difference at all).

Yep that would be a good idea as many have VERY different albums also so you can see what elements that are in the albums...becuase forexample damnation by opeth is not that metlallish as other opeth albums...although it perhaps would show in reviews it would be alot easier to just show a classification of what genres the album pop into instead of reading every review there is about the album