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M@X ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Co-founder, Admin & Webmaster Joined: January 29 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 4075 |
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YES: Rhino Remasters vs Japanese HDCD Interesting |
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Dan Bobrowski ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 02 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5243 |
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Thanks, Max. An interesting review which gives strong support towards buying the Yes catalogue in the Rhino Remaster format. I've held them in my hands numerous times trying to decide if it was worth the money to get these again. Actually the fifth time. Vinyl, Cassette, 8-Track (don't laugh), CD and now again. There's always Birthdays, right? My kids are getting sick of me buying prog CD's for them. They always complain and then give them back to me. Silly children... |
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M@X ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Co-founder, Admin & Webmaster Joined: January 29 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 4075 |
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Good one Danbo ! |
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Matti ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 15 2005 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 2148 |
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I'm wondering whether to buy GOING FOR THE ONE remaster. The bonus tracks found on the Rhino release don't start off in a very impressive manner. Montreaux's Theme was originally released as part of the YesYears box set and to my ears the song sounds unfinished, like an incomplete thought. I keep wondering where this track is headed and then it's finished. Vevey Revisited is more improvisational harp and organ work from Anderson and Wakeman. As with the versions that appear on YesYears, this is a rather unstructured piece so don't expect it to go anywhere musically. (...) The dramatic and wonderful Amazing Bass makes it's appearance on the Rhino remaster but again that's on YesYears as well. (PS: re-sent in hope for answers...) |
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Phil ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 17 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1881 |
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I have the Rhino remasters for GFTO, CTTE, Fragile, Tales, Relayer and
Tormato. I personally thought they were worth the money for 1) the
quality of the re-mastering (I dont have a top range system but I could
tell the difference on headphones over the previous CD release), and 2)
the liner notes/photos/artwork, which brought back memories of the
original album artwork.
The bonus tracks on GFTO - indeed on most of them - are IMHO really for completionists only. The only bonus track on GFTO I thought was interesting was the title track, because it has Howe playing on normal guitar rather than slide and it just gives an idea how the development of the song went. The only other bonus track that sticks in the memory is that of Siberian Khatru on CTTE because Wakeman uses Hammond organ for what became his harpsichord solo. But in general, after listening to them once, I didn't bother again; after all these were mostly rehearsal tracks that never made it to the final album. Tracks like "Montreux's Theme" didn't make it onto GFTO beacuse they just aren't that good. Incidentally, I believe early pressings of the 35th Aniversary Yes compilation CD had the alternative version of "And You and I" that is a bonus track on CTTE. Again, interesting but not as good as the final cut. The other point of note - subject of a recent poll on this site - is that on "Tales" there is an extended opening to "Revealing Science" with the sound of breaking waves leading into the track, and it works brilliantly. So my advice would be, buy these because you want better quality sound, and treat the bonus tracks as what they are - an interesting side dish to the main course. Don't expect too much from them. |
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Matti ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 15 2005 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 2148 |
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Thanks Phil. You must be right: bonus material is not the point to buy a remaster!
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chopper ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20032 |
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Interesting, but I refuse to buy these Yes CDs for a third time! I've got most of the Rhino remasters and the packaging is good, but does anyone know why Going For The One is in a plastic case when all the others are in digipaks? |
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Phil ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 17 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1881 |
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I noticed the plastic case on GFTO, I had assumed maybe it was just that batch but maybe not if you noticed the plastic case too! The digipacks did better justice to the artwork. |
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The-Bullet ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 23 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 401 |
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My Rhino remasters of TYA, Tormato, Drama and 90125 are the standard jewel case too, so my guess is is that it is down to the artwork, although arguably the Drama artwork may have warranted a digipack.
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salmacis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Content Addition Joined: April 10 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3928 |
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I also think 'GFTO' should have a had a digipak on the Rhino reissue, but the sound on all these Rhino remasters is absolutely top grade, and have some of the best remaster quality I've heard. Chris Squire's bass lines are very clear and powerful, particularly on 'Fragile'. I feel absolutely no need to replace them. However, I do think all remasters these days should have bonus material of some sort- I never get that thrilled by the 'alternate mix' or 'alternative take/demo' type stuff, but it shows the company actually put some effort into the production of the CD. |
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tortellino ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 01 2005 Status: Offline Points: 178 |
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I think the digipak reissue treatment was used to recreate as faithfully as possible the original sleeves of LPs, but was limited to the original LP releases that came with special packages; that is to say (in the vinyl case) multi-gatefolds packages. This include also the album from "CTTE" up to "Relayer" that, to my knowledge, as an LP had a triple-gatefold sleeve. Subsequent and preceding albums were released with single sleeves, so theres was no nothing special to justify the digipak. But a question spring to mind: where the f**k are the remastered and expanded versions of "Yessongs" and "Yesshows"? Come on, RHINO, get the job done!!! |
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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Going for The one didn't have a single sleeve...it had a beautiful fold out one!
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Matti ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 15 2005 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 2148 |
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I have seen a two-fold sleeve of Relayer (and also my books about Roger Dean's art suggest that, not a three-fold). And GFTO was a three-fold (but without great artwork to justify it really...). Inside picture had the band by a lake, the evening sky coloured orange. <<<< BTW my avatar is chosen due to my painting of it in '88, not for Yesshows album itself. Well, it introduced me 'Gates of Delirium' impressively... and later Relayer didn't do much for me. |
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chopper ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20032 |
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Yeah, I've got that one up in my loft (along with Hemispheres!). What a photo that is in the middle! That's why that Rhino CD was such a disappointment. The outer cover is not much to shout about (it's embarassing to show it to your mates when there's a bloke's arse on the front), but the inside is ace. Hmm, there could be a thread there about arses on prog album covers - 2112, GFTO, Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking... |
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chopper ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20032 |
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I'm pretty sure Relayer never had a three-fold cover, unless it's a foreign issue somewhere. |
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yargh ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: October 04 2005 Status: Offline Points: 421 |
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What are the main differences between the Rhino remasters and the Atlantic ones? Better packaging or better sound, too? I only have the Atlantic remasters (which are lots better than the originally-issued CDs).
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20414 |
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Ditto! The Atlantic remasters are all you really need if you do not have those albums in CD . Especially if you are only moderate fans of Yes (I mean not exhuberant) I have been tempted to buy the japanese Mini-lp (like I did for Genesis , Crimson . VDGG , Zep , GonG, and a few more Furthermore even for GFTO, the bonus (bogus?) tracks are often irritating, since they often sound out of context , or they are alternate or live takes or single versions or even demos etc... which means that you get to listen to some tracks two maybe three times within a halfhour (and sometimes in less than suitable conditions). All too rarely are the Bonus tracks really interesting.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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tortellino ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 01 2005 Status: Offline Points: 178 |
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Sorry for my incorrectness, but I'm a CD-era boy, so what do I know about your precious vinyl versions? Anyway, I think the most beautiful vinyl to own is the 3-lp, 6 panel (!!!) gatefold of "Lotus" by Santana... There you'll find beautiful music too, for fans of improvisations, latin feel, psychedelic and wonderful melodies... |
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tengo 'na minchia tanta
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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Thats Ok, you were pretty free with your "knowledge" about it though. If you don't know, best not to say! |
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nimrodel ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 07 2005 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 1217 |
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remasters are better...
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We want... a shrubbery!
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