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SirPsycho388 
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 Posted: October 02 2005 at 02:47 |
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You get my vote... definately "proto-prog" as the archives calls it
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Eetu Pellonpaa
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Posted: October 02 2005 at 03:51 |
They could be in prog related or proto-prog.
But I think these proto-prog/prog related artists should not have an open feature to add albums. First the admis / collaboratots should get a consensus, that which albums of them are prog related, add those and block the others. This would keep the site more on focus, and the non-prog items of those bands wouldn't take the resources of the site upkeepers.
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The Wizard
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Posted: October 02 2005 at 09:03 |
 horza wrote:
if i went into my local record store in the 60s 70s 80 90s or whever THE WHO WOULD NOT BE IN THE PROGRESSIVE SECTION THATS WHY - they are ROCK as in R-O-C-K  |
Shouldn't we classify a band by its music, not where it is in a store? They made progressive music. Just face it. They may not be classifyed as a progressive band, but they could be. There records are popular and they wouldn't sell as well if they were in the progressive section. Seriously, you need to be more liberal in what you define as progressive.
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The Wizard
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Posted: October 02 2005 at 09:07 |
Eetu Pellonpää wrote:
They could be in prog related or proto-prog.
But I think these proto-prog/prog related artists should not have an open feature to add albums. First the admis / collaboratots should get a consensus, that which albums of them are prog related, add those and block the others. This would keep the site more on focus, and the non-prog items of those bands wouldn't take the resources of the site upkeepers.
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I agree with you on that. The Who's first album is certainly not progressive. Neither is Live at Leeds (excellent album by the way) or the Who By Numbers (underrated gem). But Tommy, Quadrophenia, Who's Next, and Who Are You are certainly progressive. A Quick One also has the tiltle track, which qualifies that album as progressive.
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Pr@gmatic
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Posted: October 12 2005 at 17:37 |
SirPsycho388 wrote:
You get my vote... definately "proto-prog" as the archives calls it |
Same thing here. 
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: October 13 2005 at 10:24 |
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not proto-prog as the who has not inspired any progressive bands...anyways the who got some albums that is progressive but the rest is standard rock
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The Wizard
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Posted: October 13 2005 at 22:52 |
maidenrulez wrote:
not proto-prog as the who has not inspired any progressive bands...anyways the who got some albums that is progressive but the rest is standard rock |
Any band that released a concept album or made a song longer than 10 minutes was inspired by The Who. How many prog bands have made concept albums or songs longer than 10 minutes? Exactly. The Who in a influenced the genre itself, meaning every prog band. It may sound radical, but you in a way have to admit its true.
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: October 14 2005 at 07:09 |
The Wizard wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
not proto-prog as the who has not inspired any progressive bands...anyways the who got some albums that is progressive but the rest is standard rock |
Any band that released a concept album or made a song longer than 10 minutes was inspired by The Who. How many prog bands have made concept albums or songs longer than 10 minutes? Exactly. The Who in a influenced the genre itself, meaning every prog band. It may sound radical, but you in a way have to admit its true.
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oh please the who was not the first to release something above 10 minutes nor was they the first to release a concept album...i would only belivied that the who had an influence on some bands if they said that the who was influencal to their music becoming prog...the only ones that i have seen that have been influenced by the who have been rock bands and punk bands 
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The Wizard
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Posted: October 14 2005 at 11:18 |
maidenrulez wrote:
The Wizard wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
not proto-prog as the who has not inspired any progressive bands...anyways the who got some albums that is progressive but the rest is standard rock |
Any band that released a concept album or made a song longer than 10 minutes was inspired by The Who. How many prog bands have made concept albums or songs longer than 10 minutes? Exactly. The Who in a influenced the genre itself, meaning every prog band. It may sound radical, but you in a way have to admit its true.
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oh please the who was not the first to release something above 10 minutes nor was they the first to release a concept album...i would only belivied that the who had an influence on some bands if they said that the who was influencal to their music becoming prog...the only ones that i have seen that have been influenced by the who have been rock bands and punk bands
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Name one rock group before The Who that made a 10 minute long suite. I challenge you. If you can I will be suprised. Sure, there were other genres that made long songs, but a rock band? As far as concept albums, the first concept album was Pet Sounds (The Beach Boys). What the Who did was bring the concept albums to new levels with storytelling and form. Before The Who concept albums just albums with ideas like linking songs (Pet Sounds) and posing as a fake band (Seargent Peppers). The Who changed this.
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pepolo
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Posted: October 14 2005 at 11:36 |
The Who - Kings of proto prog  I'm on your side!
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: October 14 2005 at 15:50 |
The Wizard wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
The Wizard wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
not proto-prog as the who has not inspired any progressive bands...anyways the who got some albums that is progressive but the rest is standard rock |
Any band that released a concept album or made a song longer than 10 minutes was inspired by The Who. How many prog bands have made concept albums or songs longer than 10 minutes? Exactly. The Who in a influenced the genre itself, meaning every prog band. It may sound radical, but you in a way have to admit its true.
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oh please the who was not the first to release something above 10 minutes nor was they the first to release a concept album...i would only belivied that the who had an influence on some bands if they said that the who was influencal to their music becoming prog...the only ones that i have seen that have been influenced by the who have been rock bands and punk bands
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Name one rock group before The Who that made a 10 minute long suite. I challenge you. If you can I will be suprised. Sure, there were other genres that made long songs, but a rock band? As far as concept albums, the first concept album was Pet Sounds (The Beach Boys). What the Who did was bring the concept albums to new levels with storytelling and form. Before The Who concept albums just albums with ideas like linking songs (Pet Sounds) and posing as a fake band (Seargent Peppers). The Who changed this.
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the first rock n roll band that released a long song was really the rolling stones wich released a b-side for a single in 1964 that was pushing 9 minutes...but regardless on how long the songs are they are not prog at all...take for example wont get fooled again wich is about 8 and half minutes...you cant say it is prog just because it is a long song
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The Wizard
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Posted: October 15 2005 at 10:33 |
maidenrulez wrote:
The Wizard wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
The Wizard wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
not proto-prog as the who has not inspired any progressive bands...anyways the who got some albums that is progressive but the rest is standard rock |
Any band that released a concept album or made a song longer than 10 minutes was inspired by The Who. How many prog bands have made concept albums or songs longer than 10 minutes? Exactly. The Who in a influenced the genre itself, meaning every prog band. It may sound radical, but you in a way have to admit its true.
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oh please the who was not the first to release something above 10 minutes nor was they the first to release a concept album...i would only belivied that the who had an influence on some bands if they said that the who was influencal to their music becoming prog...the only ones that i have seen that have been influenced by the who have been rock bands and punk bands
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Name one rock group before The Who that made a 10 minute long suite. I challenge you. If you can I will be suprised. Sure, there were other genres that made long songs, but a rock band? As far as concept albums, the first concept album was Pet Sounds (The Beach Boys). What the Who did was bring the concept albums to new levels with storytelling and form. Before The Who concept albums just albums with ideas like linking songs (Pet Sounds) and posing as a fake band (Seargent Peppers). The Who changed this.
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the first rock n roll band that released a long song was really the rolling stones wich released a b-side for a single in 1964 that was pushing 9 minutes...but regardless on how long the songs are they are not prog at all...take for example wont get fooled again wich is about 8 and half minutes...you cant say it is prog just because it is a long song
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I'm not saying that any long song is prog. I'm saying that the Who revolutioized the idea longer songs with different movements aka the rock suite. This was essential for the development of art rock, thus giving the Who credit in the development of art rock.
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The Wizard
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Posted: October 15 2005 at 10:35 |
maidenrulez wrote:
The Wizard wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
The Wizard wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
not proto-prog as the who has not inspired any progressive bands...anyways the who got some albums that is progressive but the rest is standard rock |
Any band that released a concept album or made a song longer than 10 minutes was inspired by The Who. How many prog bands have made concept albums or songs longer than 10 minutes? Exactly. The Who in a influenced the genre itself, meaning every prog band. It may sound radical, but you in a way have to admit its true.
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oh please the who was not the first to release something above 10 minutes nor was they the first to release a concept album...i would only belivied that the who had an influence on some bands if they said that the who was influencal to their music becoming prog...the only ones that i have seen that have been influenced by the who have been rock bands and punk bands
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Name one rock group before The Who that made a 10 minute long suite. I challenge you. If you can I will be suprised. Sure, there were other genres that made long songs, but a rock band? As far as concept albums, the first concept album was Pet Sounds (The Beach Boys). What the Who did was bring the concept albums to new levels with storytelling and form. Before The Who concept albums just albums with ideas like linking songs (Pet Sounds) and posing as a fake band (Seargent Peppers). The Who changed this.
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the first rock n roll band that released a long song was really the rolling stones wich released a b-side for a single in 1964 that was pushing 9 minutes...but regardless on how long the songs are they are not prog at all...take for example wont get fooled again wich is about 8 and half minutes...you cant say it is prog just because it is a long song
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Can you tell me more about this Stones song? Whats it called and were can I find it? I'm quite intrested in how it works, and if it is a suite like A Quick One.
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Posted: October 16 2005 at 20:53 |
oh look... beethoven made songs over 10 minutes.. why not put HIM on prog archives!
and i strongly disagree. many bands in 1969 played songs over 10 minutes... you just dont know them
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Cygnus X-2
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Posted: October 16 2005 at 23:29 |
The Wizard wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
The Wizard wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
not proto-prog as the who has not inspired any progressive bands...anyways the who got some albums that is progressive but the rest is standard rock |
Any band that released a concept album or made a song longer than 10 minutes was inspired by The Who. How many prog bands have made concept albums or songs longer than 10 minutes? Exactly. The Who in a influenced the genre itself, meaning every prog band. It may sound radical, but you in a way have to admit its true.
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oh please the who was not the first to release something above 10 minutes nor was they the first to release a concept album...i would only belivied that the who had an influence on some bands if they said that the who was influencal to their music becoming prog...the only ones that i have seen that have been influenced by the who have been rock bands and punk bands
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Name one rock group before The Who that made a 10 minute long suite. I challenge you. If you can I will be suprised. Sure, there were other genres that made long songs, but a rock band? As far as concept albums, the first concept album was Pet Sounds (The Beach Boys). What the Who did was bring the concept albums to new levels with storytelling and form. Before The Who concept albums just albums with ideas like linking songs (Pet Sounds) and posing as a fake band (Seargent Peppers). The Who changed this.
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SF Sorrow anyone?
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Cygnus X-2
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Posted: October 16 2005 at 23:31 |
stebo32 wrote:
oh look... beethoven made songs over 10 minutes.. why not put HIM on prog archives!
and i strongly disagree. many bands in 1969 played songs over 10 minutes... you just dont know them
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He's referring to A Quick one from 1966.
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The Wizard
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Posted: October 17 2005 at 22:43 |
Cygnus X-2 wrote:
The Wizard wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
The Wizard wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
not proto-prog as the who has not inspired any progressive bands...anyways the who got some albums that is progressive but the rest is standard rock |
Any band that released a concept album or made a song longer than 10 minutes was inspired by The Who. How many prog bands have made concept albums or songs longer than 10 minutes? Exactly. The Who in a influenced the genre itself, meaning every prog band. It may sound radical, but you in a way have to admit its true.
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oh please the who was not the first to release something above 10 minutes nor was they the first to release a concept album...i would only belivied that the who had an influence on some bands if they said that the who was influencal to their music becoming prog...the only ones that i have seen that have been influenced by the who have been rock bands and punk bands
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Name one rock group before The Who that made a 10 minute long suite. I challenge you. If you can I will be suprised. Sure, there were other genres that made long songs, but a rock band? As far as concept albums, the first concept album was Pet Sounds (The Beach Boys). What the Who did was bring the concept albums to new levels with storytelling and form. Before The Who concept albums just albums with ideas like linking songs (Pet Sounds) and posing as a fake band (Seargent Peppers). The Who changed this.
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SF Sorrow anyone?
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Yes, it is true that S.F. Sorrow by the Pretty Things was the first rock opera. But it wasn't nearly as muture or developed as Tommy.
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Cygnus X-2
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Posted: October 17 2005 at 22:55 |
The Wizard wrote:
Cygnus X-2 wrote:
The Wizard wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
The Wizard wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
not proto-prog as the who has not inspired any progressive bands...anyways the who got some albums that is progressive but the rest is standard rock |
Any band that released a concept album or made a song longer than 10 minutes was inspired by The Who. How many prog bands have made concept albums or songs longer than 10 minutes? Exactly. The Who in a influenced the genre itself, meaning every prog band. It may sound radical, but you in a way have to admit its true.
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oh please the who was not the first to release something above 10 minutes nor was they the first to release a concept album...i would only belivied that the who had an influence on some bands if they said that the who was influencal to their music becoming prog...the only ones that i have seen that have been influenced by the who have been rock bands and punk bands
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Name one rock group before The Who that made a 10 minute long suite. I challenge you. If you can I will be suprised. Sure, there were other genres that made long songs, but a rock band? As far as concept albums, the first concept album was Pet Sounds (The Beach Boys). What the Who did was bring the concept albums to new levels with storytelling and form. Before The Who concept albums just albums with ideas like linking songs (Pet Sounds) and posing as a fake band (Seargent Peppers). The Who changed this.
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SF Sorrow anyone?
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Yes, it is true that S.F. Sorrow by the Pretty Things was the first rock opera. But it wasn't nearly as muture or developed as Tommy.
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Tommy may be more mature, but Pete Townshend will always regard SF Sorrow as the first Rock Opera.
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The Wizard
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Posted: October 18 2005 at 18:52 |
Cygnus X-2 wrote:
The Wizard wrote:
Cygnus X-2 wrote:
The Wizard wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
The Wizard wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
not proto-prog as the who has not inspired any progressive bands...anyways the who got some albums that is progressive but the rest is standard rock |
Any band that released a concept album or made a song longer than 10 minutes was inspired by The Who. How many prog bands have made concept albums or songs longer than 10 minutes? Exactly. The Who in a influenced the genre itself, meaning every prog band. It may sound radical, but you in a way have to admit its true.
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oh please the who was not the first to release something above 10 minutes nor was they the first to release a concept album...i would only belivied that the who had an influence on some bands if they said that the who was influencal to their music becoming prog...the only ones that i have seen that have been influenced by the who have been rock bands and punk bands
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Name one rock group before The Who that made a 10 minute long suite. I challenge you. If you can I will be suprised. Sure, there were other genres that made long songs, but a rock band? As far as concept albums, the first concept album was Pet Sounds (The Beach Boys). What the Who did was bring the concept albums to new levels with storytelling and form. Before The Who concept albums just albums with ideas like linking songs (Pet Sounds) and posing as a fake band (Seargent Peppers). The Who changed this.
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SF Sorrow anyone?
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Yes, it is true that S.F. Sorrow by the Pretty Things was the first rock opera. But it wasn't nearly as muture or developed as Tommy.
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Tommy may be more mature, but Pete Townshend will always regard SF Sorrow as the first Rock Opera.
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But it all comes down to this: do prog bands cite S.F. Sorrow or Tommy as influences?
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Cygnus X-2
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Posted: October 18 2005 at 22:08 |
Of course the Who will be cited more often, they were more popular and Tommy was released at the perfect time and received rave reviews, so more often than not prog bands (name a few, besides Rush) influenced by the Who will state Tommy as a bigger influence.
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