Ayreon: The Human Equation V’s Yes: GFTO

Ed_The_Dead wrote: ^ You gonna be a politician?

No, but I agree it sounded conciliatory, which is similar to politicians' speeches, in which they say many words, but no real content, in order to make everyone feel they founded something interesting about themselves. However I didn't want to be rude and write opinion of progmetal fans, who are in fact metal fans in disguise and who offend my beloved Yes. I know this is unfair and unjust and generally not true.

Dla twojej osobistej informacji, Ed The Dead, po prostu jako prawnik czasami muszê coœ zagmatwaæ w tekœcie.

RaphaelT wrote: nimrodel wrote:  Human Equation is better. there is only one or two good songs in goin for the one. my opinnion. The point is, it is quality of songs that matters in prog, and I believe I share the common view, that single Awaken, which is special, beats thousands of progressive songs, including everything on T.H.E. and many other Ayreon's songs. And I don't agree that there is only few good songs on GFTO. Name the weak ones.

but if album have many weak songs the album cant be very good.. in my opinnion the weak songs in going for the one are: Going For The One, Parallels and  Wonderous Stories. which means that the 3/5 of the album is weak.

RaphaelT wrote:   Exactly what I thought!! You don't like simple rock'n'roll and single hits, do you? But try to think about them in this way: GFTO starts as straightforward rock'n'roll, which was their intention because everyone described Yes, especially Jon as "pompous" - but in the end they deconstruct this scheme, esp. thanks to Rick's keyboards. Parallels - clever use of pipe organ makes very powerful sound and it rocks!! It's the use of non-rock instrument to create rock power!! And great author David Macan (Rockin' the Classics) give "Parallels" as epitome of polyphonic harmony (it's seven voices, incl. all instruments), along with masterpieces of Moody Blues and Gentle Giant. And "Wondrous Stories" is lovely short song, wonderfully played and great intro to "Awaken". Now give me similar examples from T.H.E. (Day Two, in which Arjen copies "On The Run" by Pink Floyd does not count).

do you mean weak songs in human equation:Day Fifteen: Betrayal, Day Six: Childhood and Day Two: Isolation... but its a concept album so its hard to name any weak songs...

No, I meant the songs on T.H.E. which have similar positive qualities, as the weak songs from GFTO I described above.

And you've made fair point. T.H.E. is a concept album, which makes it very difficult to compare to GFTO.

As I mentioned before, I like both albums.

Snow Dog wrote: fandango wrote: lovecraft wrote: These lists are just plain crazy really Comparing long standing classic GFTO with anything by the cheesemeister Ayreon is surely a joke and so on ...bravo..someone with a bit of common sense in this thread! I find your attitude surprising! I thought you were above this kind of bashing Fandango. You don't like them so ergo, they are rubbish.

I can't agree with you...

...I'm not a big Camel fan...I think that Andy Latimer is a super guitarist, and can understand why people like them, but I wouldn't give them a regular listen.  For different reasons, I'd say the same about King Crimson.

Not so with Ayreon; they are so synthetic, derivative and preposterous, they are laughable, and frankly are living evidence of all the overblown, pompous self importance that prog has been (often unjustly) accused of by its detractors for many years.

Frankly, my views on Ayreon are nothing new Snowie, and you of all people shouldn't be surprised that I find Going For The One so superior in every way, that even mentioning them in the same thread is frankly bad taste...

fandango wrote: Snow Dog wrote: fandango wrote: lovecraft wrote: These lists are just plain crazy really Comparing long standing classic GFTO with anything by the cheesemeister Ayreon is surely a joke and so on ...bravo..someone with a bit of common sense in this thread! I find your attitude surprising! I thought you were above this kind of bashing Fandango. You don't like them so ergo, they are rubbish. I can't agree with you... ...I'm not a big Camel fan...I think that Andy Latimer is a super guitarist, and can understand why people like them, but I wouldn't give them a regular listen.  For different reasons, I'd say the same about King Crimson. Not so with Ayreon; they are so synthetic, derivative and preposterous, they are laughable, and frankly are living evidence of all the overblown, pompous self importance that prog has been (often unjustly) accused of by its detractors for many years. Frankly, my views on Ayreon are nothing new Snowie, and you of all people shouldn't be surprised that I find Going For The One so superior in every way, that even mentioning them in the same thread is frankly bad taste...

I know your views on Ayreon and after listening to The Universasl Migrator, I can't understand them at all! It is a superb album! As far as comparisons to GFTO go, Its not a sacred cow for heavens sake!

fandango wrote: Not so with Ayreon; they are so synthetic, derivative and preposterous, they are laughable, and frankly are living evidence of all the overblown, pompous self importance that prog has been (often unjustly) accused of by its detractors for many years.

Pure idiocy. You should do yourself a favour and watch the Star One DVD. You'll find that Ayreon (and Arjen in particular) are very down-to-earth musicians. Why do you have to be so over the top with your bashing? Remember: THE is quite high in the top 100. Please don't insult the Ayreon fans more than necessary. You don't like them, many others do ... get over it.

I don't like The Human Equation at all, quite boring if you want to know my opinion, but the same can be said about Going For The One, aside Awaken which is reasonably good the album is not up to Yes standards prior to that album, same is true for ayreon, I like most of the albums prior to THE (Into The Electric Castle is my favourite).

anyway, my ratings for both albums is about three stars, were GTFO will get 4 because of Awaken and THE will get 2 because of the lack of one stand out track

lovecraft wrote: fandango wrote: Snow Dog wrote: fandango wrote: lovecraft wrote: These lists are just plain crazy really Comparing long standing classic GFTO with anything by the cheesemeister Ayreon is surely a joke and so on ...bravo..someone with a bit of common sense in this thread! I find your attitude surprising! I thought you were above this kind of bashing Fandango. You don't like them so ergo, they are rubbish. I can't agree with you... ...I'm not a big Camel fan...I think that Andy Latimer is a super guitarist, and can understand why people like them, but I wouldn't give them a regular listen.  For different reasons, I'd say the same about King Crimson. Not so with Ayreon; they are so synthetic, derivative and preposterous, they are laughable, and frankly are living evidence of all the overblown, pompous self importance that prog has been (often unjustly) accused of by its detractors for many years. Frankly, my views on Ayreon are nothing new Snowie, and you of all people shouldn't be surprised that I find Going For The One so superior in every way, that even mentioning them in the same thread is frankly bad taste... Not sure that it is scientifically possible for me to agree with anyone more. I remember the one time someone played me Into The Electric Castle....jaw droppingly dreadful in every respect, but hey, its horses for courses

Thank you Lovecraft...at least I'm not the only one not going mad around here...