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Cygnus X-2 
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 Posted: September 22 2005 at 22:03 |
 MustShaveBeard wrote:
Ofur wrote:
MustShaveBeard wrote:
Perhaps "bashing" was not the correct choice of words on your part. When I think bashing I think no matter what, you hate the album. Bashing and criticizing are completely different. For example, my (not at all) famous review of "CTTE" is bashing, because I don't like the song, and I express my distaste for it strongly. You can easily criticize something you like, but there's no way to bash it (bash a song, yes, but not the whole album).
BTW, I like Moonchild.
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CTTE is probably the song most responsible for me getting into prog. HOW DARE YOU put down my favorite song especially when you like the terrible Moonchild?
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Well so far the Roman Catholic Church hasn't torchered me yet for putting down the mighty Ofur's favorite song so I think I'm gonna be O.K...
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THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU! THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU!
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The Hemulen
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 05:28 |
Ofur wrote:
Trouserpress wrote:
Ofur wrote:
Ahh I see so you should never criticize anything you like.
Let's just praise In the Court of the Crimson King and never mention that Moonchild is bullsh*t.
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Ofur... why don't you f**king well grow up?
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Grow up? I think I smell an old fart here. |
Does 19 count as "an old fart"? If so, yes you do.
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horza
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 05:35 |
At 43 i'm one of ofur's delusional boring old farts,wonder how old ofur is 
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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The Hemulen
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 05:55 |
horza wrote:
At 43 i'm one of ofur's delusional boring old farts,wonder how old ofur is |
I'm guessing roughly 14-16 and under the misapprehension that he is a) extremely clever and b) extremely mature.
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goose
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 06:27 |
Ofur wrote:
Every time I think about the album it makes me laugh. I think the album is totally unlistenable, apart from two tracks that are ok. The idea of people liking this album and taking it seriously makes me smile every damn time I think about it. |
So you don't think people should take humour seriously? A great deal of the music I hold closest to my heart I started off laughing at. For me humour is one of (note: one of!)the strongest emotions I experience, and that's what drew me to Soft Machine, Genesis. And I'm sure it'll eventually draw me to Zappa, when I have the money to get a couple of records.
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chopper
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 07:41 |
Ofur wrote:
Trouserpress wrote:
Ofur wrote:
I probably wouldn't bother posting about something I didn't like.
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I never said I didn't like Trout Mask Replica (you just assume it because I was bashing it), however I like it for different reasons than most people.
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Ofur, let me throw in a few of your statements from your previous "cruel prank" thread: -
People like me buy the album get pissed off and spread the word that the album sucks which makes more people buy it. This is one of the major problems with the album.
Trout Mask Replica is painful to listen to
I just don't like Trout Mask Replica and I think it's really painful to listen to.
You don't even know what your own arguments are anymore! Give up and think of a new topic.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 07:42 |
Ofur wrote:
I suspect Frank Zappa had difficulties taking himself seriously, most of his music is so full of silly humor that I get the feeling he simply couldn't take himself seriously. I'm not saying he was a poor musician or anything, but it seems he was rarely able to be totally serious about it. |
Do some reading. I reading Barry Miles' excellent Zappa biography right at the moment:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1843540924/qid=1127 475669/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_11_1/026-9226558-7204446
and you will most likely change you opinion.
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 07:48 |
ofur is definetly the funniest guy on the forum...this thread gave me the biggest laugh in ages...GO OFUR 
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chopper
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 07:50 |
maidenrulez wrote:
ofur is definetly the funniest guy on the forum...this thread gave me the biggest laugh in ages...GO OFUR |
Me too, "I never said I didn't like Trout Mask Replica, I just don't like Trout Mask Replica". Top man.
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Chipiron
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 07:54 |
... I'm scared... Shall I take myself seriously or not? I don't think I'll get some sleep tonight..
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 07:56 |
chopper wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
ofur is definetly the funniest guy on the forum...this thread gave me the biggest laugh in ages...GO OFUR |
Me too, "I never said I didn't like Trout Mask Replica, I just don't like Trout Mask Replica". Top man.
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ah great just read his other threads about prog fans being old farts and stuff...really funny
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DEzerov
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 10:57 |
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Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is
so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute
that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the
basic building block of the universe.
The present day composer refuses to die.........
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The moon is made by some lame cooper and you can see the idiot has no idea about moons at all - Nikolay Gogol
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thrang theng
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 11:36 |
I've noticed that more the thread is related to humor more pages are added to it. So I'm glad to participate to this humoristic thread about the humor of our beloved FZ. Maybe we should go into details. Is it "Shut up and play yer guitar" serious or humoristic? The titles would indicate the second option but the music sometimes is serious. IT is really confusing isn't it?
Maybe he was taking a laugh of us all????
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Take my fire
Take my food and water
Forget about those promises
Of social good and social order...
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the icon of sin
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 11:46 |
Many of Zappa's (mostly) instrumental albums such as Sleep Dirt, Waka/Jawaka and The Grand Wazoo are 90% serious. Even albums that are pretty crazy (Studio Tan and We're Only In It come to mind) have serious messages underneath the coating. For example, the latter is incredibly anti-drugs and "The Adventures of Greggary Peccary" from the former takes shots at mass corporations.
I guess it was his way of presenting his opinions in a different way to everyone else. Which brings us back to why he is so special, because he can combine these 2 emotions in music so effortlessly.
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thrang theng
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 11:52 |
He used humor as a way to fight some aspects of the contemporary american society and majors businness. That what is stated in his biography... He went to Court for some lirycs as well in the '80s.
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Take my fire
Take my food and water
Forget about those promises
Of social good and social order...
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con safo
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Posted: September 24 2005 at 19:08 |
lmao this was great. i dont think ive ever seen someone change their opinions so much in one thread. hahaha. 
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Biggles
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Posted: September 24 2005 at 19:20 |
I personally think that Ofur is from an alternate universe wherein people show their appreciation for art by violently criticizing it. It is the only logical conclusion I could come to.
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The crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe.
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FragileDT
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Posted: September 24 2005 at 19:23 |
Watching this topic develop is hilarious. I cant even believe Ofur is content
with contradicting himself 200 times. At least there are people like Ofur in
the world that give us all a good laugh.
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One likes to believe
In the freedom of music
But glittering prizes
And endless Compromises
Shatter the illusion
Of integrity
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Biggles
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Posted: September 24 2005 at 19:34 |
Ofur wrote:
con safo wrote:
Ofur wrote:
Right, anyway I think he wasn't capable of making music that was totally serious. |
Thats an awfully stupid thing to say. I'm sure he was VERY capable of doing serious music but it just wouldnt be him. Anyways if you want zappa without the humour look into some of his more instrumental albums.. Grand Wazoo, Hot Rats
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I don't want Zappa without the humor.
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Wait, so first you complain that he didn't make serious music, and then you'd say that you'd much rather he hadn't made serious music?
You've lost me.
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The crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe.
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Cygnus X-2
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Posted: September 24 2005 at 22:31 |
Wow...
Ofur gets the Special Progarchives Award for Best Contradiction of Opinions!
Everyone, let's give Ofur a cheer!
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