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You're right.  The machinist does more work than the CEO and is more necessary to the functioning of the company.  He should make more.  But seriously, there is no reason for the CEO of the company to make somewhere around 100 times what the machinist makes.  And I'm sorry, but my sympathies lie with the machinist who is struggling to make ends meet and not with the CEO who is struggling with trying to decide which yacht he wants.  Oh, and "BUZZ!WRONG!NEXT!" isn't really a good debating method.  While it gets across your disagreement, it does nothing to clarify or expound upon your position.  Just a little tip from the Doc MTS.  Free of charge.  Although, since you're so fond of capitalism perhaps I should charge you for it.
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Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

You're right.  The machinist does more work than the CEO and is more necessary to the functioning of the company.  He should make more.  But seriously, there is no reason for the CEO of the company to make somewhere around 100 times what the machinist makes.  And I'm sorry, but my sympathies lie with the machinist who is struggling to make ends meet and not with the CEO who is struggling with trying to decide which yacht he wants.  Oh, and "BUZZ!WRONG!NEXT!" isn't really a good debating method.  While it gets across your disagreement, it does nothing to clarify or expound upon your position.  Just a little tip from the Doc MTS.  Free of charge.  Although, since you're so fond of capitalism perhaps I should charge you for it.

Ok, no more "BUZZ!WRONG!NEXT!" I'm just in bit of a rank mood this week. Do you take credit cards?

But seriously, people have this misconception that CEOs just coast right into business without breaking a sweat. Far from it! Somestimes that's true but 90% of your business owners and millionaires are self made. They bust their humps and pay their dues. Look at Ross Perot, he started as a computer salesman after he got out of the Navy working 12-18 hours a day. It's pretty much the same story with most of them.
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BB:

Kill George Bush?  But that would make Cheney president.  Not good.  In fact, you'd have to kill quite a few people - including the entire Cabinet - since the order of presidental succession is as follows:

Given that all of these people are neocons or right-wing Republicans, I'd say we're in gib trouble...

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Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

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Kill George Bush?  But that would make Cheney president.  Not good.  In fact, you'd have to kill quite a few people - including the entire Cabinet - since the order of presidental succession is as follows:



Given that all of these people are neocons or right-wing Republicans, I'd say we're in gib trouble...


Peace.


Ok maani, time for the truth. As an undercover operative for the Secret Service, I'm afraid I'm going to have to seize your computer, tax records, church, prog collection, throw you in a basement in Washington, slap your face and hurt your feelings! We got you now!


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Originally posted by marktheshark marktheshark wrote:

Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

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Kill George Bush?  But that would make Cheney president.  Not good.  In fact, you'd have to kill quite a few people - including the entire Cabinet - since the order of presidental succession is as follows:



Given that all of these people are neocons or right-wing Republicans, I'd say we're in gib trouble...


Peace.


Ok maani, time for the truth. As an undercover operative for the Secret Service, I'm afraid I'm going to have to seize your computer, tax records, church, prog collection, throw you in a basement in Washington, slap your face and hurt your feelings! We got you now!

...see I told everyone that the secret service was going to come knocking on the door.  By the way MTS, I take any form of payment someone wants to use...except for personal checks, you just can't trust people nowadays.
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Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Wow.  I see the U.S. Secret Service showing up to some members' doors.  I'm sorry I posted in this thread now.  I don't want to be mixed up with you lot.  I'll be right back...someone's at the door.

Yeah, I wouldn't be so quick to discuss killing a president on line, folks. A joke it may be, but we live in 'monitored' times....

Read Orwell, he saw it coming...
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Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

You're right.  The machinist does more work than the CEO and is more necessary to the functioning of the company.  He should make more.  But seriously, there is no reason for the CEO of the company to make somewhere around 100 times what the machinist makes.  And I'm sorry, but my sympathies lie with the machinist who is struggling to make ends meet and not with the CEO who is struggling with trying to decide which yacht he wants. 

Good God, Doc, that was beautfiul ... you must have a split personality (or be played by 8 different actors) ... 

And by the way 100 times doesn't even begin to cover it in countries with weak unions ... I can't write too much cos stuff can get traced, but try 5,000 times

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Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

No problem Ricochet,but that comment from BitchBrew really got my dander up.

Well in real life I am against death penilty, so I guess I don't really won't to exacly kill him.
But why are you mad at me for dissliking Bush? Im sorry for your dead friends, but what tho they got to do whith my comment?
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Originally posted by BitchBrew BitchBrew wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

No problem Ricochet,but that comment from BitchBrew really got my dander up.

Well in real life I am against death penilty, so I guess I don't really won't to exacly kill him.
But why are you mad at me for dissliking Bush? Im sorry for your dead friends, but what tho they got to do whith my comment?

I'm not mad at you for disliking Bush,BB.Hell...I don't care much for him myself.I will say and have said before that I am a war and combat veteran and have seen enough death in my life,it really changed the way I look at things.I just think killing someone won't solve the problem,and that your comment sort of stepped over the line.You might have been joking but honestly,it offended me.

And now I am going to contradict everything I just said and say I am very much for the death penalty.I also think that in my country the judicial system is in shambles and parole and the appeals system should be abolished.People sentenced to death here can languish for 10-20 years in prison,while they exhaust their appeals and cost us taxpayers 80k per year,per prisoner.


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MtS:

You can have everything but my prog collection!

Doctor:

Re the machinist and the CEO, as one who spent over a decade as a legal assistant in various law firms and corporations, I can tell you for a fact that, without the secretaries, "copy shop" staff and receptionists, law firms and corporations would simply cease to function.  These "lower class" workers are the "nerve center," the "lifeline," of any corporation or law firm.  If secretaries, copy shop staff and receptionists "banded together" and went on strike, it would cripple American transnational corporations in under two hours.

Quite a thought, huh?

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Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

BB:

Kill George Bush?  But that would make Cheney president.  Not good.  In fact, you'd have to kill quite a few people - including the entire Cabinet - since the order of presidental succession is as follows:

Given that all of these people are neocons or right-wing Republicans, I'd say we're in gib trouble...

Peace.



Okay, I've been doing some detailed research into this, checking out exactly how far down this list you can go and I've discovered (after hours on the net) that apparently the last person in line to the presidency is 7 year old May Hicks who lives in Salina, just west of Kansas City.



Let's show her some respect!



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Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by BitchBrew BitchBrew wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

No problem Ricochet,but that comment from BitchBrew really got my dander up.

Well in real life I am against death penilty, so I guess I don't really won't to exacly kill him.
But why are you mad at me for dissliking Bush? Im sorry for your dead friends, but what tho they got to do whith my comment?

I'm not mad at you for disliking Bush,BB.Hell...I don't care much for him myself.I will say and have said before that I am a war and combat veteran and have seen enough death in my life,it really changed the way I look at things.I just think killing someone won't solve the problem,and that your comment sort of stepped over the line.You might have been joking but honestly,it offended me.

And now I am going to contradict everything I just said and say I am very much for the death penalty.I also think that in my country the judicial system is in shambles and parole and the appeals system should be abolished.People sentenced to death here can languish for 10-20 years in prison,while they exhaust their appeals and cost us taxpayers 80k per year,per prisoner.


Ok, well since I never experienced war and stuff like that I look at things diffrently ofcourse. My intention was not to insult you. I'm sorry for that. But I really do want to get rid of Bush, and thats that.
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Originally posted by BitchBrew BitchBrew wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by BitchBrew BitchBrew wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

No problem Ricochet,but that comment from BitchBrew really got my dander up.

Well in real life I am against death penilty, so I guess I don't really won't to exacly kill him.
But why are you mad at me for dissliking Bush? Im sorry for your dead friends, but what tho they got to do whith my comment?

I'm not mad at you for disliking Bush,BB.Hell...I don't care much for him myself.I will say and have said before that I am a war and combat veteran and have seen enough death in my life,it really changed the way I look at things.I just think killing someone won't solve the problem,and that your comment sort of stepped over the line.You might have been joking but honestly,it offended me.

And now I am going to contradict everything I just said and say I am very much for the death penalty.I also think that in my country the judicial system is in shambles and parole and the appeals system should be abolished.People sentenced to death here can languish for 10-20 years in prison,while they exhaust their appeals and cost us taxpayers 80k per year,per prisoner.


Ok, well since I never experienced war and stuff like that I look at things diffrently ofcourse. My intention was not to insult you. I'm sorry for that. But I really do want to get rid of Bush, and thats that.

No need to apologize,though I do appreciate the thought and your sincerity.Since Bush came to office so many disastrous events have occured,it makes me wonder sometimes how someone else would have handled it.

Peace



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Originally posted by sigod sigod wrote:

Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

BB:

Kill George Bush?  But that would make Cheney president.  Not good.  In fact, you'd have to kill quite a few people - including the entire Cabinet - since the order of presidental succession is as follows:

Given that all of these people are neocons or right-wing Republicans, I'd say we're in gib trouble...

Peace.



Okay, I've been doing some detailed research into this, checking out exactly how far down this list you can go and I've discovered (after hours on the net) that apparently the last person in line to the presidency is 7 year old May Hicks who lives in Salina, just west of Kansas City.



Let's show her some respect!

Well Hail to the Chief I say.  She'd probably do a better job than our current "esteemed" leader.

Maani:

I worked as a law clerk while in law school, and even in the smaller firms I worked for, it was myself, the secretary and the runner who kept the law firm from collapsing in on itself.  Really, the attorneys were superfluous.  They were just there to collect the checks. 

Trotsky:

Economically, I'm very much a working class liberal.  While I don't think we should help those people who contribute absolutely nothing to society, except for maybe crime and having children out of wedlock, I think that we should help those who are productive members of society who are struggling or those who are trying to better themselves.  Unfortunately, the government here works very hard at supporting the wealthy and supporting the bottom feeders of society and does absolutely nothing for those who are the backbone with which this society functions.  It's time for a workers' revolution.
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That's why it is really hard to vote in the US since the American system is really really biased towards the major two parties and smaller parties have 0.000000 % chance of winning anything.
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Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

 Unfortunately, the government here works very hard at supporting the wealthy and supporting the bottom feeders of society and does absolutely nothing for those who are the backbone with which this society functions.  It's time for a workers' revolution.

That is very true. In our current tax system, the rich are taxed a lot, but they are still rich, the poor does not get taxed a lot, but reaches benefits, the middle class does not receive any benefits from the system what-so-ever. Unlike an European system where they get free healthcare, government insurance and good public transportation, the Middle Class in America gets nothing but more and more taxes.  Sure, it is a good thing that Politicians give a taxcut to the rich, but they are forgetting us. The ones who earn money, but get nothing back...
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I would says an end to man's desire of always more power and money, ecspecially money. That would ends so many things, lie most wars, a lot of polution, crime, all the dumb commercial stuff, well, everything that only exist to make a rich or powerfull man. Everything bad in society happens because of this.

If we could live in a sane world, it would be so great...
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KoL:

The U.S. is actually a one-party system - the "transnational corporate" party - with two branches, the RepubliCrats and the DemoCans.  True, the DemoCans tend to try to do more for the lower and middle classes, while the RepubliCrats tend to be more about securing and maintaining wealth and power.  However, no one should kid themselves: they both answer to the same corporate puppetmasters.

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Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

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The U.S. is actually a one-party system - the "transnational corporate" party - with two branches, the RepubliCrats and the DemoCans.  True, the DemoCans tend to try to do more for the lower and middle classes, while the RepubliCrats tend to be more about securing and maintaining wealth and power.  However, no one should kid themselves: they both answer to the same corporate puppetmasters.


Peace.


I can see some truth in that maani. But sometimes government inaction can be an appropriate action. Let's go back 70 years:

In his 1935 State of the Union Address, FDR spoke to a nation mired in the Depression, but still marinated in conservative values:

"Continued dependence" upon welfare, said FDR, "induces a spiritual disintegration fundamentally destructive to the national fiber. To dole our relief in this way is to administer a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of the human spirit."

Seems he was trying to tell us something that was unfortunatley not well heeded.


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