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    Posted: September 17 2005 at 18:41

...and death's obsession!

(death is the main character in this GREAT concept album).

What do you think about Ys?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2005 at 18:45
Is it?! WOW!!!  That's so utterly wonderful to learn. This is one of my alltime favourite Italian prog albums but being an uneducated Englander I've never understood the lyrics one jot. I always felt that there was a very haunting and deathly atmosphere to it though. Towards the end there are some strange processed vocals that sound EXACTLY how I'd imagine ghosts to sounds. Could you give me any more details on what the album is about, Andrea? It might enhance this masterpiece even further for me!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2005 at 18:47
Ys? Is there a letter missing here? Another band for me to research perhaps

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2005 at 18:49
Nope, no missing letter! And if you like your prog dark, weird, dramatic and full of top notch guitar and keyboard playing then you NEED this album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2005 at 19:00

 Ys is the album's title!

The lyrics are about a young man who had to go...beyond the mountains...then he found a man lying on the ground...and his body was covered by ivy...black was his blood now...and his eyes were pierced by thorns...all the pain he had suffered then immidiately is felt by the young man.........

....and darkness came...

there are also scenes by an old dead man with cross-joint harms...

It would be a better thing if I translate all the lyrics for the people here of progarchives... 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2005 at 19:01

horza:

The band is "Il Balletto di Bronzo"; the album is "Ys."  And it is also one of my favorite Italian prog albums, along with Intorno by Alusa Fallax, Zarathustra by Museo Rosenbach, and Io Sono Nato Libero by Banco del Mutuo Soccorso.

Peace.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2005 at 19:02
Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

 Ys is the album's title!

The lyrics are about a young man who had to go...beyond the mountains...then he found a man lying on the ground...and his body was covered by ivy...black was his blood now...and his eyes were pierced by thorns...all the pain he had suffered then immidiately is felt by the young man.........

....and darkness came...

there are also scenes by an old dead man with cross-joint harms...

It would be a better thing if I translate all the lyrics for the people here of progarchives... 



You'd seriously do that? It would be a truly wonderful gift if you could. It sounds like a wonderful story, every bit as artistic, poetic and captivating as the music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2005 at 19:15

I'll do soon!

...Tomorrow!

...hope my English will be understandable!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2005 at 19:22
Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

horza:


The band is "Il Balletto di Bronzo"; the album is "Ys."  And it is also one of my favorite Italian prog albums, along with Intorno by Alusa Fallax, Zarathustra by Museo Rosenbach, and Io Sono Nato Libero by Banco del Mutuo Soccorso.


Peace.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2005 at 21:13
An excellent album, and it was my first exploration into Italian prog. 

I don't know how the following relates to the lyrics, but for what it's worth...

From Wikkipedia:
YS is a mythical city built in the Douarnenez Bay in Brittany by Gradlon, King of Cornouaille for his daughter Dahut.

According to the legend, the city was built below sea level, protected by a dam from being engulfed. The only keys to the gate of the damn were held by Gradlon, but Satan made Dahut steal them and give them to him.  He opened the gate and YS was flooded.  In some versions of the story, Satan was sent by God to punish the city whose inhabitants were becoming decadent.  Other versions of the story tell that Dahut stole the keys either at her lover's request or in order to open the gate and let her lover in.

The only survivors were King Gradlon, who was advised to abandon his daughter by Saint Guenole.  Gradlon then founded Quimper and on his death, a statue representing him on horseback looking back in the direction of YS was erected on the Saint Corentin Catherdral and still stands there.

Bretons said that YS was the most wonderful city in the world, and that Lutece was renamed Paris after YS was destroyed, because Par-Is in Breton means "similar to YS".

This deluge legend differs from others because the location of YS is well defined:  the statue of Gradlon looks towards it, most of the localities mentioned exist, several Roman roads actually lead into the sea (and are meant to lead to YS), and this myth could in fact depict the engulfment of a real city during the 5th century.

The history is also sometimes viewed as the victory of Christianity (Gradlon was converted by Saint Guenole) over Druidism, as Dahut and most of the inhabitants of YS were worshippers of Celtic gods...

...In Cleade Debussy's first book of Preludes (1910) the evocative Le Cathedrale engloutie recalls the drowned cathedral in the city of YS, with the muffled and watery sonority of its spectral bells.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2005 at 21:54
Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

I'll do soon!

...Tomorrow!

...hope my English will be understandable!

Awesome!   I'm always looking for translations of Italian lyrics, but can never find them on the Internet.  It will be interesting to see what the concept of Ys is about, the way it was described (by Andrea) sounds like a great story.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2005 at 23:01
One more masterpiece from among the amazing Italian scene. It's considered one of the best albums ever made, and it's for sure a right opinion. Gianni Leone is just a genius.

Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

I'll do soon!

...Tomorrow!

...hope my English will be understandable!



You could translate it into Spanish too

No, I actually understand some Italian and it's not quite different from Spanish.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2005 at 04:01

INTRODUCTION

The voice told

to the last who

remained in the world

the true reality.

And then ordered

to go to its people

to tell the truth

and the game started.

That voice pressed the chest

with the pain of the things understood

perhaps (it or he ?) was in time to tell

also to the others

perhaps (it or he ?) was in time to tell

also to the others.

What’s the life of a man who has cried

like seeing a clear sky

like staring your eyes into the sun

like catching a hand holded out.

And the voice pressed the chest

with the pain of lived things

he had to go soon, he had

to go soon.

Poetry of a windy day

the last leaf of a dead tree

the first April sunny day

a warm body a hand nearby.

FIRST MEETING

He went beyond the mounts and beyond again

never turning back to look

long is the journey he has to do

but he has to go yet.

A man is here, with the face downwards

and ivy already embraces his body

black is all his blood

wounds of ripped ears.

The voice forced him to shout

all that was to die inside himself

and all he shouted was brought away by the wind

and he would never hear something.

SECOND MEETING

He’ll see, he’ll see

even if he doesn’t be able to hear

what can tell him

a clear sky.

A face of an old man

already next to death

wasn’t faith before

now it’s strong.

The look of a  man

who doesn’t fear…

what is he if he miss

a steady voice

he has seen: the night,

the ending day,

women in the dark

who were ready to betray,

hands holded out,

absent faces,

good people die,

mighty people rejoice.

But he didn’t remain thinking

he had something to search for

and night not came, nor the day

and the horizon remained over there.

He did not surrender

he did never surrender

he didn’t asked himself:

man, where’re you going?

What he saw was another man

with his arms cross-bended

and he did not hear his voice…

he came near him and spoke to him.

But in those eyes with no light

prickly thorns were infixed

then he felt those wounds as his own

 and then light went away.

THIRD MEETING AND EPILOGUE

With spreaded arms

for the road in the darkness he searched

with the fingers a shape (something) he felt.

All he could feel

was

death’s coldness

between his hands,

his true word

came up from his chest another time.

But his mouth

tired and motionless remained

that shout crushed him,

ripped him inside

and the darkness around

came inside him

and light was never more.

Hope my english translation is good



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2005 at 04:39
Awesome, thanks. Love this album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2005 at 07:35

 

I think there's something in the lyrics refering to suicide, being death the arrival of the journey of the main character.

Lyirics' sense is obscure,

Sinister (but awesome) music from Il Balletto Di Bronzo

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2005 at 07:44
Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

INTRODUCTION

The voice told

to the last who

remained in the world

the true reality.

And then ordered

to go to its people

to tell the truth

and the game started.

That voice pressed the chest

with the pain of the things understood

perhaps (it or he ?) was in time to tell

also to the others

perhaps (it or he ?) was in time to tell

also to the others.

What’s the life of a man who has cried

like seeing a clear sky

like staring your eyes into the sun

like catching a hand holded out.

And the voice pressed the chest

with the pain of lived things

he had to go soon, he had

to go soon.

Poetry of a windy day

the last leaf of a dead tree

the first April sunny day

a warm body a hand nearby.

FIRST MEETING

He went beyond the mounts and beyond again

never turning back to look

long is the journey he has to do

but he has to go yet.

A man is here, with the face downwards

and ivy already embraces his body

black is all his blood

wounds of ripped ears.

The voice forced him to shout

all that was to die inside himself

and all he shouted was brought away by the wind

and he would never hear something.

SECOND MEETING

He’ll see, he’ll see

even if he doesn’t be able to hear

what can tell him

a clear sky.

A face of an old man

already next to death

wasn’t faith before

now it’s strong.

The look of a  man

who doesn’t fear…

what is he if he miss

a steady voice

he has seen: the night,

the ending day,

women in the dark

who were ready to betray,

hands holded out,

absent faces,

good people die,

mighty people rejoice.

But he didn’t remain thinking

he had something to search for

and night not came, nor the day

and the horizon remained over there.

He did not surrender

he did never surrender

he didn’t asked himself:

man, where’re you going?

What he saw was another man

with his arms cross-bended

and he did not hear his voice…

he came near him and spoke to him.

But in those eyes with no light

prickly thorns were infixed

then he felt those wounds as his own

 and then light went away.

THIRD MEETING AND EPILOGUE

With spreaded arms

for the road in the darkness he searched

with the fingers a shape (something) he felt.

All he could feel

was

death’s coldness

between his hands,

his true word

came up from his chest another time.

But his mouth

tired and motionless remained

that shout crushed him,

ripped him inside

and the darkness around

came inside him

and light was never more.

Hope my english translation is good



My... that's fantastic! Thank you so so much for taking the time to do that. I really appreciate it, and I'm sure a lot of other people do too. I'm listening to the album as I write, and I'm doing so with a renewed passion thanks to this!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2005 at 07:53

 

It's a pleasure to know that italian scenario is so well aprreciated!

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2005 at 07:59
Fan-tas-tic! Thanks, Andrea!

I never realized it's such a beautiful (and dark) concept!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2005 at 09:21
Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

 

It's a pleasure to know that italian scenario is so well aprreciated!

 



Of course it is! Italian scene is gonna ruin me
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2005 at 11:45
Thanks a lot Andrea.  And congratulations on becoming a collaborator.
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